I would have felt more comfortable with System-1 being a module instead that could be either standalone, connected to any midi keyboard controller, or also have a specific series of Aira System-1 controller keyboards that could mount the System-1 module. That way we could get 25, 49, or 61 keys... instead of being forced to cart around a set of 25 keys we may not use..
The sweetwater demo of the VT-3 was fun!! just wish you could send in other vocoding signals into it.. sort of stuck with what is onboard it seems... still, I want one of those haha
New Roland "DANCE" hardware- AIRA TR-8, TB-3, VT-3, SYSTEM-1
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- KVRist
- 317 posts since 5 Jul, 2002 from Sydney
No DevilfIsh makes me sad
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 14 Dec, 2000 from San Francisco, CA, USA
These are awesome! Just wish the TB-3 has a battery powered option like the original TB-303. I wonder how these will affect the used market prices for the originals.
Having owned most of the x0x series in the 90s (202, 303, 606, 707, 727, 909), it would be nice to get most of them back. I really hope they also bring back the 606, 707 and 727 sounds in there somewhere.
Having owned most of the x0x series in the 90s (202, 303, 606, 707, 727, 909), it would be nice to get most of them back. I really hope they also bring back the 606, 707 and 727 sounds in there somewhere.
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- KVRAF
- 37510 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Actually the Creamware/Scope cards could run in two modes too, you had the direct zero latency mode running entirely in Creamware's own modular audio system, and XT mode where you could use VST versions of the plugins inside your host (the downside being latency would be introduced that way as with any plugin other than the direct mode Creamware ones)Ingonator wrote:
Another thing is that while tehre maybe is a vstplugin for computer the plugin inside the System-1 does not have to be VST too. It could be their own format like in e.g. other DSP hardware based plugins (e.g. Scope platform).
Not sure if the same is true of the new non card based XCite systems though.
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- KVRAF
- 3303 posts since 27 Mar, 2010 from UK
You know what...great. Nice price. Awaiting release to check out build quality, sound and urgonomics.
These are going to fly of the shelf, pocket money price unlike some more expensive kit (for a reason maybe) has certainly got me thinking.
Can't wait to give them a go... £245 TB3 - if it sounds good enough and is more versatile - fantastic new toy
Had a play with the Korg mini series, the Rolands look like they may smash them out of the ball park in terms of end user integration and ergo's. :
These are going to fly of the shelf, pocket money price unlike some more expensive kit (for a reason maybe) has certainly got me thinking.
Can't wait to give them a go... £245 TB3 - if it sounds good enough and is more versatile - fantastic new toy
Had a play with the Korg mini series, the Rolands look like they may smash them out of the ball park in terms of end user integration and ergo's. :
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- KVRAF
- 8732 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
They look fun to use, I give them that. They got the physical control stuff right from the look of it. From the few videos I've seen, the TB3 sounds a bit dodgy, but I'm interested in the other stuff. I like the look of the glitchy stuff if it all integrates well.
Down to price really. If they really are 250 quid, we'll expect them to be at least $1000 a pop this side of the world.They usually at least double the actual cost here
Seriously, I dunno why anyone spent time getting excited about analogue. Roland were never going to do it.
For me, they have to be well priced to prize me away from some of the pretty reasonably priced analogue offerings about nowadays...and they're dongles. Pretty obvious. Not that dongles bother me at all. Just saying.
Down to price really. If they really are 250 quid, we'll expect them to be at least $1000 a pop this side of the world.They usually at least double the actual cost here
Seriously, I dunno why anyone spent time getting excited about analogue. Roland were never going to do it.
For me, they have to be well priced to prize me away from some of the pretty reasonably priced analogue offerings about nowadays...and they're dongles. Pretty obvious. Not that dongles bother me at all. Just saying.
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- KVRian
- 539 posts since 15 Dec, 2012 from Waunakee, Wiscompton
Whoa! They've significantly undercut what I had expected these to sell for! I assumed Apple-like pricing at street prices of $399 for the TB-3 and $899 for the TB-8. I've been a software-only guy for quite some time (after having a huge hardware-only studio for a while), so I think these pieces might just help get me going with a hybrid studio going.
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- KVRist
- 313 posts since 13 Feb, 2010
The VT-3 sounds like an abysmal failure.
From musicradar.com's review:
"Surprisingly though, it's the new Autopitch and Vocoder effects that are the weakest - not in terms of sound so much but in terms of implementation. For example, whilst the two Autopitch effects can pull off convincing auto-tuned/pitch-corrected vocals, ironically you have to be able to sing in tune to get the best out of them, as the pitch correction doesn't like out of tune voices - and this was after trying different mic's and signal levels.
Then there's the Vocoder effect which has a classic vocoder tone but as there's no internal pitch correction on the Vocoder preset and no way to use an external input source to the carrier signal, all but the best vocalists will struggle to keep the effect on the correct notes!"
http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/tech/ ... t-3-594326
But hey, at least there's a "Radio" and a "Megaphone" setting.
The other Aira units seem cool, and they're priced right, but this looks like complete garbage, especially considering what other vocoder/pitch correction options are available these days.
From musicradar.com's review:
"Surprisingly though, it's the new Autopitch and Vocoder effects that are the weakest - not in terms of sound so much but in terms of implementation. For example, whilst the two Autopitch effects can pull off convincing auto-tuned/pitch-corrected vocals, ironically you have to be able to sing in tune to get the best out of them, as the pitch correction doesn't like out of tune voices - and this was after trying different mic's and signal levels.
Then there's the Vocoder effect which has a classic vocoder tone but as there's no internal pitch correction on the Vocoder preset and no way to use an external input source to the carrier signal, all but the best vocalists will struggle to keep the effect on the correct notes!"
http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/tech/ ... t-3-594326
But hey, at least there's a "Radio" and a "Megaphone" setting.
The other Aira units seem cool, and they're priced right, but this looks like complete garbage, especially considering what other vocoder/pitch correction options are available these days.
"The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong." - Carl Jung
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- KVRAF
- 3303 posts since 27 Mar, 2010 from UK
Going to about 4.49sec on the video you start hearing what this is 'emulating'
I got to be honest it's not a lot of different to a lot of existing software emus' BUT, there is a certain edge going on and of course hands on controls...wonder if this can be (ab)used as a midi controller ^^
Sound source is simply digital analogue modelling technology. At the end of the video the review is quoting preset machine which is dissapointing, so no user memories is that correct?
...and the tr8 link all on youtube of course, lets see how these vids expand :@_)
I got to be honest it's not a lot of different to a lot of existing software emus' BUT, there is a certain edge going on and of course hands on controls...wonder if this can be (ab)used as a midi controller ^^
Sound source is simply digital analogue modelling technology. At the end of the video the review is quoting preset machine which is dissapointing, so no user memories is that correct?
...and the tr8 link all on youtube of course, lets see how these vids expand :@_)
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- KVRist
- 244 posts since 9 Apr, 2013 from Memphis, Ark.
I suppose a good roland branded software 303 could sell for $99, leaving you only out of pocket $201 for a neat-o hardware sequencer. Not a bad deal on the tb3 at all, if you look at it that way. But still disappointed.
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- KVRian
- 1149 posts since 18 Nov, 2004
It's all good for me…I LOVE digital. I have had numerous Analogue synths since the early 80's but they have never quite sat well with me…I like the cool, clean crisp sound of digital….so i'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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- KVRAF
- 11162 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Well, I finally located a video of the System-1. Some interesting stuff. It's 4-voice polyphonic,for example (I assumed, wrongly, it was mono):
And he mentioned SH-2 and ProMars "plug-outs"
And he mentioned SH-2 and ProMars "plug-outs"
Fernando (FMR)
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- KVRian
- 539 posts since 15 Dec, 2012 from Waunakee, Wiscompton
This machine needs presets about as much as the original TB-303 needs presets. It's a simple performance synth with just 5 tone controls. Presets aren't needed.MFXxx wrote:so no user memories is that correct?
There are 134 waveforms, which are 132 more than the TB-303 had. THAT is what they mean by "presets," BTW.