Native Instruments released Reaktor 6 !

[digitalboytn]

This may have already been mentioned earlier. Native Instruments should have released Komplete 10.3 or 10.5 which included Reaktor 6. ...

really tiring with all this "it should be included in K10" nonsense. what f'ing planet are you people on? they just had a 50% off upgrade to K10 over the summer, and now people think they should just toss in R6 for free? what would be the incentive for people to buy K11? oh, you'll do them a favor and buy "once they include Kontakt 6, Absynth 6", etc... gtfo.

[MFXxx]

I am a Ultimate 10 user but bit the bullet and made the upgrade rather than wait....did it with a xgrade from machine I had, so if they give it away as part of Komplete 11 I will have a version to sell (and plenty of takers I think!)

First impressions- I am blown away with blocks, I am a modular user (4 ful racks!) and I seriously think blocks is the closed I have seen with software in terms of sounds, flexibility and ease of use (no manual needed to throw together a pretty complex 'rack'- just hit the user form and there is already a ton of useful stuff (inc. a 4 voice Polly splitter) and I know from muff wiggler etc that people are building custom boutique 'blocks' from the modular world...I think commercial 'blocks' could be a big deal for N.I., I hope they open up more blocks to people who own full version of rounds, molecular, razer etc....

Only downside for me so far is the lack of multicore support- if anything ever needed multicore!

I nearly went with the Maschine upgrade, however I believe to transfer the buyer needs maschine registered software, same goes for the Komplete upgrade path I guess.

[digitalboytn]

Only downside for me so far is the lack of multicore support- if anything ever needed multicore!

This...

At some stage in the future,NI are going to have to bite the bullet and re-code Reaktor for multi-core support....

And they know it too

[EvilDragon]

Too great a risk, not likely they would completely recode Reaktor just for that one feature.

[Daags]

back when Reaktor 5 came out...I'm sure people didn't think it likely to take over a decade for 6 to come out. in the ten years between now and 7, surely they'll figure out multi-core. By which time we'll probably be using nano quantum computers embedded in our wisdom teeth.

I was very surprised multi-core wasn''t in 6. I was convinced it was a gimme.

Oh well. It's funny to see all the arm chair experts talk about it now, as if it was always apparent to them that it wouldn't happen, couldn't happen, etc.

[V0RT3X]

nvm

[_leras]

They can probably get away with doing something like multi core splitting seperate voices across cores. From the reaktion that people want polyphonic blocks, I'm sure they could just build a multi voice container to multi core in a basic polysynth way.

It would have to disallow certain types of routing/feedbacks but could allow a very heavy one voice to be multiplied.

[Kalamata Kid]

This may have already been mentioned earlier. Native Instruments should have released Komplete 10.3 or 10.5 which included Reaktor 6. And at the same time sell R6 as an individual purchase. This would have been a win-win situation for their fan club which includes me.

I have K8 and have not moved up to K9 or K10. For me to do so requires that Kontakt 6 or Absynth 6 be part of a Komplete package. And yes Reaktor 6 also as I am just beginning to play around with it.

At $50 upgrade to K10.5 for k8, K9 and K10 owners I would instantly be a buyer. At $100 I would expect a discount to upgrade from K10.5 to K11, as K11 would already have Reaktor 6. Is my math correct here? Stienberg IIRC got $50 to the PadShop for Cubase owners and for those that had it got a special price to unpgrade to the next major Cubase version..

ya man, I feel ya.
If they don't do this, someone else is gonna write that platinum record that's floating around in my head and I'll lose out on millions of US dollars, elite taiwan hookers and the finest bolivian marching powder


come on NI! make it happen. you're ruining lives here!

The proposed Komplete 10.5 which did not happen would have included Reaktor 6 and no other upgrades to all of the other included plugins. So this would have been a matter of a little bit of additional paperwork for Native Instruments. This would have made a big difference to me.

Or they could have simply said: To those that have K8, K9 or K10 will and purchase Reaktor 6 will get a $50 (or whatever) discount of the purchase of K11.

In either scenario I would like have been a customer. Those that have deep pockets this will not make sense. The reviews of R6 are very good but I will wait for K11.

Wishful thinking does not change realty. Darn it! I remain a Komplete fan but I am entitled to vent my frustration. All Ni had to do is look at how Steinberg handled a similar situation. Ok, enough said as all the negative people here at KVR pounce on me or the message.

[Jace-BeOS]

Technology isn't magic.

(Multi core demands and quantum computing future tech assumptions...)

[thetechnobear]

and of course on modular x4 network
http://www.reaktor-forum.de/viewtopic.p ... 8354#p8354

ciao herw

do you have any idea when you might release ModularX 4? is it close?
from your post, it looks like R6 offers a few options for optimising/improvement, so I guess that might delay V4 ?

Id be really interested to hear if its easier to wire up, I could do this in ModularX v2(?), but changing the layout meant rewiring, which I found error-prone (for me)

and of course, thanks for providing modular X, its a fantastic contribution... and achievement!

i am working on modular 4 since may 2014. I have tested several new concepts (so there is no version 3 and 3a which were successful too, but the newest concept is the simplest.

You can read news on DRF:
http://www.reaktor-forum.de/viewtopic.p ... 2&start=60
starting July 2014.

The new concept based on the idea that the normal user has the ability to use it very simple:
primary for panelelelemnts and only two corecells for signal processing.
So the user will have only to add a primary container (panel elements inside) and a core macro. Both very simple to insert, nothing more, no send-revceives etc..

The last months i got R6 to test and there are several features which are very useful for my concept:
1st the multidislay range is now 4096x4096 pixel, so i have only one multidisplay.
2nd mouse area sends mouse position without clicking and not on front.
So adressing the inputs is now very simple, no need for developer of modular containers to count the position. And now i can delete, insert and rearrange the container free.
3rd the bundles and scopes are very useful for dsp in core especially the gated clock is useful. I am able to cut unused container from clocking very easily. Bundles clear the structure.
So i waited until R6 is released.
The concept is tested and very stable (no crash no bugs all works fine).
Since last months i am transforming version 2 to version 4.

Unfortunately i had and have problems for health reasons (got and get two hip implants in August and next October). So i haven't much time and have to train my muscels.
So i think release of modular x4 will be end of year.

There will be several ensembles with new containers. If you want news then read from here:
http://www.reaktor-forum.de/viewtopic.p ... 8354#p8354

I will write about it especially about R6 and modular.

elbe1.jpg

the shown ensemble ELBE is working well.

ciao herw

Sorry to hear about your health troubles, hope this goes well and your on your feet again quickly.

Thanks for the update, I will keep an eye on the forum

Cheers
Mark

[jbuonacc]

... In either scenario I would like have been a customer.

please get off it, things just don't work like that with NI. this is no surprise and anyone buying Komplete shouldn't expect anything more than the unbelievable amount of stuff they're already getting. especially sickening to hear this from others who recently upgraded for half off, though not saying this is your case. this is nothing new, no sense in even crying about it.

if it makes anyone feel better, i now have three (3) separate Reaktor licences. at least, that's how it seems. i bought it boxed for $500 ($400?) back in early 2006. cross-graded to K8 from Maschine, so that makes two. i ended up buying Maschine Studio, but sold the hardware and kept the software. "up/cross-graded" from that Maschine 2 license to Reaktor 6, hoping to eventually sell that first license. (sure hope i don't have any problems down the line having sold the Maschine Studio hardware.) i'll probably pay for it again when i upgrade from K9 to K11 eventually. it's a mess. not too concerned. i do not have deep pockets.

[jbuonacc]

dupe, sorry.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Is it possible that this whole modular blocks thing is sort of a novelty? They sound alright but no better than most of the analog or VA VSTs I have like Diva, Tal Bassline, Oddity, imposcar, Poly-Ana, Zebra, Massive etc. I mean sure it's cool to be able to have flexibility and put only what you want in there easily, but that's what you get in Zebra as well and these blocks use 10x more CPU and are monophonic. Or comparing the capabilities of this to something like Bazille, I think sound quality is comparable or better in Bazille and you'd probably not often use more than 4 oscs, 2 filters, 4 envelopes etc. and you've got all the patching right there on the main panel rather than in a separate one.

I guess I just don't see much advantage over other similar or slightly less modular synths.

[rod_zero]

wow, 20 pages and people still isn't over the multicore support.

[JoeCat]

Is it possible that this whole modular blocks thing is sort of a novelty? They sound alright but no better than most of the analog or VA VSTs I have like Diva, Tal Bassline, Oddity, imposcar, Poly-Ana, Zebra, Massive etc. I mean sure it's cool to be able to have flexibility and put only what you want in there easily, but that's what you get in Zebra as well and these blocks use 10x more CPU and are monophonic. Or comparing the capabilities of this to something like Bazille, I think sound quality is comparable or better in Bazille and you'd probably not often use more than 4 oscs, 2 filters, 4 envelopes etc. and you've got all the patching right there on the main panel rather than in a separate one.

I guess I just don't see much advantage over other similar or slightly less modular synths.

I always thought the most underrated feature of Diva was the ability to swap out the main components (filters, envelopes, etc.) on the fly - Roland DCOs with a Korg filter and Moog envelopes, etc. And the fact that it retained settings mean it's quick to A/B and experiment. So while it may not be modular in terms of signal routing, it obtains that feeling of experimenting with different modules. Granted a lot of synths now offer a variety of filter types, etc., but few do it so well.

That said - the appeal of blocks will not be so much what's already provided by NI, but from the already active user library. For me at least that's always been a large part of its value. Don't have to mention Herwig's work here but will - thanks and good health! - as well as Boscomac, etc. We're already got a semblance of polyphony and it's been a few days.

That user library can really help with GAS - even without writing new core modules, etc., a lot of users find new and unique ways to utilize existing tech; there's tons of inspiration there.