Korg multi/poly native - reimagined Mono/Poly Synthesizer plugin

[frag]

Multipoly and some other new VSTis are literally designed to make you want to buy new PC.

Perhaps the native version is actually a cunning ploy to increase multi/poly hardware sales

It's both... you need either HW, or new computer
Unless you know a couple of tricks

[danatkorg]

Hi,

I am trying to automate the "note on advance" button of the pitch motion sequencer with a note gate signal. Goal is to restart the pitch sequencer with every key press. This works manually, but seems to fail with the gate signal automated at "1".

Any idea how to achieve the goal? The also is no "Note-Off" source...

The Motion Sequencer normally restarts with every key press, since it runs independently per note. If you turn on Sync Notes, then newly-played notes will start at the same point as currently playing notes (though they can still diverge via voice-specific modulation or randomization).

Note-On Advance *increments* the start point with each new note, which doesn't sound like what you're looking for.

If you want a lane to restart while it's running, or to start from the beginning even if Sync Notes is on, you can temporarily modulate the Loop End to be the same as the Loop Start. I just tried this with an envelope, using the Hold time to create a pulse of a defined duration, and it worked well. See the enclosed screen-shot, which shows both the envelope and the modulation routing.

EDIT: Also automating "Loop End" doesn't seem to work as expected.

This note from the manual should help:

"If you want to modulate loop points, use these parameters to set the maximum loop length. Loop Start can only be modulated upwards, and Loop End can only be modulated downwards."

Pitch Env modulating Pitch Lane Loop End.png

[Hanz Meyzer]

Ah, thanks a lot!

he Motion Sequencer normally restarts with every key press, since it runs independently per note. If you turn on Sync Notes, then newly-played notes will start at the same point as currently playing notes (though they can still diverge via voice-specific modulation or randomization).

Note-On Advance *increments* the start point with each new note, which doesn't sound like what you're looking for.

If you want a lane to restart while it's running, or to start from the beginning even if Sync Notes is on, you can temporarily modulate the Loop End to be the same as the Loop Start. I just tried this with an envelope, using the Hold time to create a pulse of a defined duration, and it worked well. See the enclosed screen-shot, which shows both the envelope and the modulation routing.

I am actually using the Motion Sequencer in combination with the arp, because I would like to have a long, overlapping release phase for one of the layers and so far couldn't achieve this without the arp.

So I guess my question would be: How to reset the motion sequencer, if you use note advance + the arp?

[danatkorg]

___________GUI
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some are broken

some are blurred (especially when using smaller sizes eg. 90%)

That looks wrong, I agree! In Windows, what are your current settings under Settings > Display > Scale and layout, and under "Advanced scaling settings?"

___________VCA TYPE
changing vca type has no effect on sound even when pushing drive; yes, the amp envelope times & curves change but what about level/saturation?

The VCA Type affects the response of the VCA to control signals, as you describe. It does not affect saturation, which is controlled independently by the Drive knob.

[danatkorg]

Ah, thanks a lot!

I am actually using the Motion Sequencer in combination with the arp, because I would like to have a long, overlapping release phase for one of the layers and so far couldn't achieve this without the arp.

I don't understand this yet, sorry; can you explain it a different way?

So I guess my question would be: How to reset the motion sequencer, if you use note advance + the arp?

You can use a Mod Knob or a CC to toggle Note Advance off and on; that will cause Lanes with Note Advance enabled to start from the Loop Start. I can't immediately think of a way to do this automatically.

[danatkorg]

Agreed. The sound is great and the features are great. There are currently enough bugs and minor jank that it gives me pause about buying it right away, because I would hesitate before inserting it into projects, knowing there are tradeoffs to using it in its current state.

I know of two user-reported bugs so far:
* Moving knobs with the mouse causes high CPU usage. I reproduced this last night, and we'll be looking into it today.
* The curves drawn in the Envelope graphic seem to always be based on the Custom settings, regardless of the selected Curve Preset.

Ableton is slow with Program Change for VST3 plug-ins, and apparently very slow when used with Push 3, but this is an Ableton issue and happens with plug-ins from other companies as well. For Mac users, we advise using the AU plug-in instead.

A user in this thread reported graphics issues which I'm guessing are related to Windows Display Scaling; Microsoft themselves has warned that this can cause problems in some cases, but since they note that other plug-ins are OK, we'll look into it once we get more details.

If there are any that I've missed, please let me know!

But wavestate native still today has a similar problem as multi/poly native with editing knobs in the plugin GUI causing CPU "spikes" (probably thread locks?)

I haven't heard of this before; I tried just now, and couldn't reproduce this. (Last night, I tested the "moving knobs with mouse" issue in all of our Korg R&D plug-ins, and confirmed that it was only a problem in multi/poly). If you're seeing an issue with wavestate native, please provide more specifics and we will look into it.

[Gam456]

If there are any that I've missed, please let me know!

Hi Dana
- We noticed we lose the sound in the waveshaper when the gain is set to 100%
- Do You know how to set a preset at launch ?
- Someone flag "audio click" on the envelope
Cheers

[Hanz Meyzer]

Ah, thanks a lot!

I am actually using the Motion Sequencer in combination with the arp, because I would like to have a long, overlapping release phase for one of the layers and so far couldn't achieve this without the arp.

I don't understand this yet, sorry; can you explain it a different way?

So I guess my question would be: How to reset the motion sequencer, if you use note advance + the arp?

You can use a Mod Knob or a CC to toggle Note Advance off and on; that will cause Lanes with Note Advance enabled to start from the Loop Start. I can't immediately think of a way to do this automatically.

Sent you a preset and PM, maybe that's more easy.

[frag]

Just implement multithreading, and all these issues will be gone!

[tumface]

I haven't heard of this before; I tried just now, and couldn't reproduce this. (Last night, I tested the "moving knobs with mouse" issue in all of our Korg R&D plug-ins, and confirmed that it was only a problem in multi/poly). If you're seeing an issue with wavestate native, please provide more specifics and we will look into it.

Thanks for replying! I updated wavestate native on this Windows machine, as I noticed it was a couple of versions behind, and it doesn't seem to happen, now. Sorry about the false alarm there. I should have updated it again on this machine before adding that comment.

I'm glad you were able to reproduce it in multi/poly native. Thanks for looking into it.

By the way, Dan, do you think you could you take a look at this post of mine from earlier in this thread? viewtopic.php?p=9052901#p9052901

I was playing around with it again for a bit, and noticed that sometimes I would hear unexpected clicking right at note-ons. It's only obvious with certain combinations of settings
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It's noticeable in a few preset patches, like 'Air Drops'. Try loading that preset and playing up and down a scale.
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If I turn up the "Delay" knob on the amp envelope by even a tiny bit, the click goes away. Hmm. Intended? Not intended?

These out-of-place sounding and looking tiny attack clicks, which disappear when a tiny bit of delay is added to the amp envelope, is one of the two other pause-worthy issues I have with the trial. If that's not a bug and is intended behavior, then that's fine, but it seems a bit weird to me.

And the other one is when the waveshaper is set to 100% and there appears to be a burst of garbage output data from the synth (NaNs?)

The other issues I have are minor and inconsequential right now.

edit from the future: both of these were bugs, and have been fixed as of multi/poly native 1.0.4!

[Hanz Meyzer]

Ok ok, so question to all:

How can I use the motion sequencer and having a release time on each of the pitches/notes?

[db3]

Moving knobs with the mouse causes high CPU usage. I reproduced this last night, and we'll be looking into it today.

Ableton is slow with Program Change for VST3 plug-ins, and apparently very slow when used with Push 3, but this is an Ableton issue and happens with plug-ins from other companies as well. For Mac users, we advise using the AU plug-in instead.

- I experienced issue with knobs yesterday. It generated some odd sound for me rather than typical CPU glitch.
- AU is as laggy for preset change as VST3 for me, if not slightly worse.
Mac M1 Max

[mentooool]

___________GUI
some words are shortened

some are broken

some are blurred (especially when using smaller sizes eg. 90%)

That looks wrong, I agree! In Windows, what are your current settings under Settings > Display > Scale and layout, and under "Advanced scaling settings?"

___________VCA TYPE
changing vca type has no effect on sound even when pushing drive; yes, the amp envelope times & curves change but what about level/saturation?

The VCA Type affects the response of the VCA to control signals, as you describe. It does not affect saturation, which is controlled independently by the Drive knob.

hi dan,

thanks for the reply and for such a great-sounding instrument

i use windows 10 and i use default display scaling settings

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(sorry, the os is in italian)

please note that other manufacturers plugins (u-he, spectrasonics, g-force, softube, audio damage, etc.) work flawlessy

hope this can help

[db3]

I thought it was a bit laggy before, but today I connected an Arturia Keylab MK3 and now the GUI takes about 12 seconds to update after a preset change. This issue seems to be more than Push related. No such problem with other plugins.

[zvenx]

Does that standalone also take that long or only when you use it as a plugin, in whatever host you are using?
So you know on my mac and pc both standalone and vst3 (in Cubendo) are instantaneous for me.

rsp