If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

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VitaminD wrote: Mon Feb 09, 2026 11:55 pm You're missing a key aspect -- live performance. That's big. Jazz clubs, bars with rock or country bands, concerts, church services, etc. There is still and likely will continue to be an aspect of live performance that will also have a large portion of non-AI song writing and musicianship. As such, interesting tools will likely still be out there. Probably just in smaller number.

That said, a piano is a piano. A drum kit is a drum kit. These tools are established and matured for a long time. There will still be demand for them.

What is happening here is just like in the job market. The jobs that AI can easily take over will be. The music genres that AI can easily take over will be.

Ambient, Techno, Bubblegum Kawaii 8-bit nintendopop are all heavily reliant on digital pathways with minimally complex patterns (in general). I'm pretty sure even today an AI model could generate hundreds of believable tracks in these type of genres and no one would bat an eye. They're all largely derivative anyways so that is easy work for AI which only does derivative work.

However, Do you really think AI is going to generate something rare like Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald's Summertime out of the blue? Hah! AI doesn't understand creativity. It just follows patterns to crank out derivative without any understanding of what is enjoyable or not to a human. Because it isn't human. It has no inspiration. It has no life story or idiosyncrasies. No likes or dislikes. It didn't spend it's early 20s with it's mentor in Chicago, honing it's chops in cutting contests. AI doesn't have a history of difficult life experiences and trauma that it uses as a source for it's artwork. Music isn't an outlet for AI. Because AI doesn't feel. All these things formulate what drives a musician, musically.

AI just takes work that people, who can feel and have lived, created and generate cold calculations off of them.

With that in mind, certain genres will indeed be more affected than others. Music isn't in danger. Just specific genres are. And likely, already recorded songs (by human performers) will likely get more lauded over time. Pre-AI.
I think the point on fading legacy artists and the manufactured pop machine applies just as well to live music, although that definitely doesn't encompass all of live music. As those legacy artists continue to disappear, that's less live music pulling large crowds. As the manufactured pop machine keeps churning out it's product, now with the help of AI to do it more efficiently, even the masses are going to eventually tire of the monotony, and at some point I think it won't pull large crowds. Aside from that, in the scheme of things not many people listen to jazz, outside of musician circles and the minority of music heads. And music at church services isn't driving anyone wild.

I suppose there will always be plugins around to some degree, but I do see AI having a big impact on that in the coming years. I mean, right now any hobbyist musician playing at home can run HeartMuLa on a local machine for free to generate tracks to play along with, just the same as the industry pop machine has already been doing for generating songs and parts with Suno and other AI services. That means that say, a guitar player, who wants to focus on just playing guitar, doesn't need a drum plugin, a piano plugin, etc., doesn't need the relevant audio plugins, and doesn't need to put in the time to create those tracks for unlearned instruments and mixing them while likely doing a worse job than what AI will generate. And hobbyists are a huge segment of the market for plugins.

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Zeisner wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 3:03 am
guitarzan wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 2:39 am That’s where makes no sense in this context — what does the preset do with onomatopoeia?
The context is flexibility, not presets. I even pointed that out.
I said AI was vastly more flexible than presets.

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guitarzan wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 3:03 am I see AI as a jam track machine, but it could do any other generative composing duties better than the semi-radomized output of the traditional apps.
Question: Why don't you want to jam with humans? Why does it need to be software?

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Zeisner wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 3:08 am
guitarzan wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 3:03 am I see AI as a jam track machine, but it could do any other generative composing duties better than the semi-radomized output of the traditional apps.
Question: Why don't you want to jam with humans? Why does it need to be software?
The people I jammed with gave up music many years ago. Right now I have responsibilities that keep me home. Plus it takes years to get a good jam band together, you have to read minds. AI actually listens to my prompts and never gives up. Neither do I. Eventually I get what I want out of AI.

I’m talking about limited use of AI too, not the AI that generates complete songs. I want MIDI out and then still use synths and plugins.

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sellyoursoul wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 3:05 am even the masses are going to eventually tire of the monotony, and at some point I think it won't pull large crowds.
I've been observing the exact opposite for the past two decades. It is the monotony that attracts most people. Monotony is the new escapism in a world that gets faster and more complicated and unpredictable each day.

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guitarzan wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 3:13 am The people I jammed with gave up music many years ago. Right now I have responsibilities that keep me home. Plus it takes years to get a good jam band together, you have to read minds. AI actually listens to my prompts and never gives up. Neither do I. Eventually I get what I want out of AI.
I see. I don't do collaborations anymore either because people around me gave up on music as well. I now jam with myself.

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BONES wrote: Tue Feb 10, 2026 6:12 am
sellyoursoul wrote: Mon Feb 09, 2026 11:08 pmOn the flip-side, I don't see creatively driven people being attracted to having music generated to replace the creative process.
The thing with that is that it remains a creative process. If you want a specific result, you are the one who has to craft the prompt to deliver it. It's a different process but don't kid yourself that it is any less creative because that is simply not the case.
I think we'll just disagree on that point. I could never see prompting a music generating machine as being a creative process. That's like saying that prompting an autonomous car is an experience of driving. Instead of drawing upon your own experiences, skills, and limitations to create something, you're bypassing all that by flipping preference switches in a machine, to have it created for you according to a machine's approximated amalgamation of other people's creativity.

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Zeisner wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 3:24 am
sellyoursoul wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 3:05 am even the masses are going to eventually tire of the monotony, and at some point I think it won't pull large crowds.
I've been observing the exact opposite for the past two decades. It is the monotony that attracts most people. Monotony is the new escapism in a world that gets faster and more complicated and unpredictable each day.
I can't really argue with that. The last 20 years of music from the music industry has been a giant snooze fest. Not that there haven't been some interesting exceptions along the way, but compared to the 20 years before that, or the 20 years before that, it's a drop in the bucket.

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wagtunes wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 3:24 am And you're an ass.
No, I'm an audio engineer. I'm also used to mostly deaf musicians, the majority can't hear even half of what I can. Playing too loud for too long without ear protection. Does that ring a bell? But you have especially bad ears because you can't even hear that tremolo part of your AI voice example I pointed out the last time. That's why you are so confident with your AI examples. You can't hear any of the artifacts. To me they are so dominant there is no way to ignore them, it takes me one to two seconds to tell if something has been synthesized with AI. I can hear those amplitude/timbre fluctuations clear as day. I can hear your natural voice cracking and the saliva in your mouth. You can't.

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sellyoursoul wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 3:38 am I can't really argue with that. The last 20 years of music from the music industry has been a giant snooze fest.
The industry only gives people what they want. And they want exactly that. It makes perfect sense considering escapism. The same pattern can be found in movies, video games, even novels. Endless monotone repetition, perfectly predictable, giving the listener a feeling of security. No sudden changes in rhythm or key or harmony. It even goes as far as establishing a constant rhythm of jump scares in horror media, making them totally predictable via image and sound cues. And it's not just young people, it only started with them, the older generations are adapting as well.

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Zeisner wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 4:04 am
sellyoursoul wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 3:38 am I can't really argue with that. The last 20 years of music from the music industry has been a giant snooze fest.
The industry only gives people what they want. And they want exactly that. It makes perfect sense considering escapism. The same pattern can be found in movies, video games, even novels. Endless monotone repetition, perfectly predictable, giving the listener a feeling of security. No sudden changes in rhythm or key or harmony. It even goes as far as establishing a constant rhythm of jump scares in horror media, making them totally predictable via image and sound cues. And it's not just young people, it only started with them, the older generations are adapting as well.
I think ultimately the industries sought and found the threshold of what is an acceptable narrowing for the masses to keep buying (pretty damn narrow!), because it's least risky and more profitable to do it that way, of course. I do think that there is a general preference for more. But at the same time, I think that the masses don't care enough to demand more by not buying the monotony.

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@Bones
Yes, I do care a very lot, who the creator(s) of a song or album are. One of the most exciting things back in the day was to buy an album and to watch the cover and to read the lyrics and who participated (mixing engineer, drummer, background singer etc) or at what studio it was recorded or sometimes even what instruments were used.. I know these days are gone and it is a new era of music mass production.

I agree, who knows what Stevie would do today as a teen. The root of future teens obviously will be AI whether one likes it or not.

I am starting to wonder why humans still have relations or communicate, one could just buy an ai robot and ask every question ai, humans are not perfect, so you can't trust or rely on them anyway.

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A surprisingly smart choice to delete the attempt of lecturing an audio engineer about hearing aids. Who had that topic in class. Too bad it won't take long until you snap back to your usual routine, wagtunes...

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DCrown wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 6:01 am I am starting to wonder why humans still have relations or communicate
More and more don't. But that's nothing new, it started way before LLMs became a thing. AI just accelerates the progress. We're finally going from transhumanism to posthumanism.

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With AI you miss the journey. The journey is all the fun, not the end result. Each to their own.

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