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Treeper · Post by **Treeper** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:33 pm

Brok, you are a little tinker for your placebo 224!
It had me listening for differences. I've done a similar thing with analog/digital synths in the past, and it just shows you should always use your ears and not trust your preconceptions.

I'm checking out the demo of AAR, and a screenshot or fxp of your lexicon settings would be great while learning the features!

Great thread on several levels!

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:48 pm

bmanic wrote:The PCM series lets you dial in a room size in excess of 100m where they start sounding very delayish and grainy but it is NICE on a lot of material. Why limit it to 40m?

That's not entirely correct - AFAIK only the Concert Hall algorithm lets you choose room size of 156m.

Do you have the upgrade for the PCM90?

Cheers

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:51 pm

hello Warp69, nice of you to pop by in this thread.

I'm not as pedantic on the PCM90 vs. CSR parameter ranges as bmanic, but it does bother me that the size/decay linking is forced. Why was it left like that, with no choice for the user?

Cheers,

Mike

rickschwar · Post by **rickschwar** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:45 pm

rickschwar, it seems you are the only one who is not fooled by placebo fx ...
sorry all, i just couldn't resist ...
also my second contribution that i declared to be the 224 was just the artsacoustic reverb ...

It's nice to be vindicated. That's why I kept on asking you what version software you were running in your 224. Because it didn't sound like my 224XL which is running v8.2 software.

This is a great thread BTW...

- Rick

Cinemascore · Post by **Cinemascore** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:49 pm

i'll not be in the studio today, so i cannot post the preset ... will do here asap ...

brok, could you kindly post the second AAR "224" preset that you used for "long_reverb02" please?

Thanks for posting the first one BTW.

Thanks!

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:51 pm

i will, as soon i'm back in the studio ...

c_huelsbeck · Post by **c_huelsbeck** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:58 pm

hifiboom wrote:AAR is a good sounding reverb.

But for me its not professional enough compared to CSR as it cannot reverb short impulses like drums satisfing...

can someone please run these WAV File through the different CSR algos ( inverse, hall, room and ambience )
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... eckout.wav

I would be really interested........

thx

I don't have CSR, but I quickly ran it through my emulation (RoomWorks/Ambience + Chorus) of Brok's reverb:

http://www.huelsbeck.com/sounds/reverb_ ... ample1.mp3

It's a bit too wet for this material, but the reverb sounds quite dense and nice...

Now it would be interesting to hear the stuff through Brok's AAR with the same settings, as well as other reverbs...

sounddesigner · Post by **sounddesigner** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:38 pm

Warp69 wrote:
bmanic wrote:The PCM series lets you dial in a room size in excess of 100m where they start sounding very delayish and grainy but it is NICE on a lot of material. Why limit it to 40m?
That's not entirely correct - AFAIK only the Concert Hall algorithm lets you choose room size of 156m.

Do you have the upgrade for the PCM90?

Cheers

If you are the developer please reduce the fizzing noise in the csr plates tail, i think it would allow more usage.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:42 pm

sounddesigner wrote:please reduce the fizzing noise in the csr plates tail, i think it would allow more usage.

"fizzing noise"? But that's exactly the way it *should* behave. Real plates do "fizz", and since PCM90 has a great plate algorithm, and since CSR is a near carbon copy...

...well go figure.

sounddesigner · Post by **sounddesigner** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:09 pm

Kingston wrote:
sounddesigner wrote:please reduce the fizzing noise in the csr plates tail, i think it would allow more usage.
"fizzing noise"? But that's exactly the way it *should* behave. Real plates do "fizz", and since PCM90 has a great plate algorithm, and since CSR is a near carbon copy...

...well go figure.

You may be right but i and others would love to control it better in the software counterpart for particular settings.It seems to sound worse then what i'm use to hearing-its not that strong in other plugins i have and in some i can better work around it and reduce it to get what i want, I'm not a hardware expert i only know what my ears like.But it still is an outstanding plate reverb and one of the best csr has to offer.i just wish to control that better on certain settings and others have mentioned it as well.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:21 pm

Thanks everyone for a fine thread. It has been educational. In other threads, when I read peoples comments about reverb, without sound examples, I mostly do not know what people mean really.

I would like to see some drum examples from different reverbs as well. I liked the AAR original long file quite a bit. I would like to see what AAR can do with drums in capable hands. Even if it is not the 'best', but can it do a decent job? What reasonable priced non dongle reverb is better suited then?

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:48 pm

sounddesigner wrote:i only know what my ears like

Fair enough.

When algorithm controls fail you, EQ is your best friend, pre and post reverb.

LiteOn · Post by **LiteOn** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:13 pm

@ CSR owners/users/tweakers:

Hmmm, I observe something weird. CRS is used as an insert effect, advanced mode, I/O section, both input and output are set to off. I still hear the full dry signal. The signal gets muted only when mix is set to 100%.
Does that make any sense?

cheers,
LiteOn

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:06 pm

c_huelsbeck wrote:I don't have CSR, but I quickly ran it through my emulation (RoomWorks/Ambience + Chorus) of Brok's reverb:

http://www.huelsbeck.com/sounds/reverb_ ... ample1.mp3

It's a bit too wet for this material, but the reverb sounds quite dense and nice...

Now it would be interesting to hear the stuff through Brok's AAR with the same settings, as well as other reverbs...

as soon i'm back in the studio i will try on these ... maybe it sounds good ...
allthough i doubt that it is useful to use exactly the same settings, i just don't see a benefit in this ...
i'd rather try get the most out of the reverb by tweaking it supporting the signals, isn't that what a reverb should do?

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:12 pm

pdxindy wrote:I would like to see some drum examples from different reverbs as well. I liked the AAR original long file quite a bit. I would like to see what AAR can do with drums in capable hands. Even if it is not the 'best', but can it do a decent job? What reasonable priced non dongle reverb is better suited then?

it's great on drums, too, but for drums i think that there are alternatives, so don't set your expectations too high ...
allthough ... aar surprises me a lot everytime, why not this time, too ...
let's see ... the examples of bmanic using the csr sounded really good, though ...
i'll give it a try tomorrow ...

CSR - pants down