KVR Audio

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:36 pm

anyone?

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:12 pm

brok landers wrote:oh, and anotherone:
and how do i dotted lines in skinman?

Save these BMP into the Texture folder:
http://music.service-1.de/linesH.bmp
http://music.service-1.de/linesV.bmp
Draw a line using the shape or lines tool (vertex 2), for a vertical line use texture linesH at depth 100%, set medium color/gray and adjust thickness / texture zoom.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:21 pm

WOK wrote:
brok landers wrote:oh, and anotherone:
and how do i dotted lines in skinman?
Save these BMP into the Texture folder:
http://music.service-1.de/linesH.bmp
http://music.service-1.de/linesV.bmp
Draw a line using the shape or lines tool (vertex 2), for a vertical line use texture linesH at depth 100%, set medium color/gray and adjust thickness / texture zoom.

thank you so much wok, will try that.
maybe any hint on my previous question?

and anotherone, maybe you can answer that:
how do i make it so that multiple selections get the same treatment? i.e. i select 2 shapes and then i'd like to change the properties for them in one go...

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:48 pm

brok landers wrote:g200kg,
is there any possibility to treat 2 (or more) background shapes as one?
i'd like to create a master background plate for a surface, which is made of different shapes with different colours, and now i'd like to treat it as one and apply a gradient _without_ the need to render the whole as one file...

I think that's not possible - if combining grouped subshapes with the "shape+" option, they get the same color.
I do that by placing another big shape over the background, do the gradient / texture there and adjust the transparency of the colors.

i select 2 shapes and then i'd like to change the properties for them in one go...

I did not found out also. That's something to ask for in an update. Even copy/paste effects (right mouseb. in the objects list) does not copy everything.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:35 pm

WOK wrote:
brok landers wrote:g200kg,
is there any possibility to treat 2 (or more) background shapes as one?
i'd like to create a master background plate for a surface, which is made of different shapes with different colours, and now i'd like to treat it as one and apply a gradient _without_ the need to render the whole as one file...
I think that's not possible - if combining grouped subshapes with the "shape+" option, they get the same color.
I do that by placing another big shape over the background, do the gradient / texture there and adjust the transparency of the colors.

i am afraid i don't understad thatone...

WOK wrote:
i select 2 shapes and then i'd like to change the properties for them in one go...
I did not found out also. That's something to ask for in an update. Even copy/paste effects (right mouseb. in the objects list) does not copy everything.

well, will set up an fr accordingly then...

thanks again!

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:18 am

brok landers wrote:
WOK wrote:
brok landers wrote:g200kg,
is there any possibility to treat 2 (or more) background shapes as one?
i'd like to create a master background plate for a surface, which is made of different shapes with different colours, and now i'd like to treat it as one and apply a gradient _without_ the need to render the whole as one file...
I think that's not possible - if combining grouped subshapes with the "shape+" option, they get the same color.
I do that by placing another big shape over the background, do the gradient / texture there and adjust the transparency of the colors.
i am afraid i don't understad thatone...

Drawing two shapes

Make a copy of both.
Moving the name "Ellipse" over "Rec" and set "Operation: Shape+" for Ellipse will combine them.

Set Fill1 black, Fill2 white for the combined "Rec", make gradient color fill.

Set Fill1 60%, Fill2 20%

If desired, make a copy of the combined object, remove gradient, Fill1 medium gray, add texture with 100% intens., adjust Fill1 transparency.

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:48 am

noted... Thank you

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:55 am

WOK wrote:
brok landers wrote:
WOK wrote:
brok landers wrote:g200kg,
is there any possibility to treat 2 (or more) background shapes as one?
i'd like to create a master background plate for a surface, which is made of different shapes with different colours, and now i'd like to treat it as one and apply a gradient _without_ the need to render the whole as one file...
I think that's not possible - if combining grouped subshapes with the "shape+" option, they get the same color.
I do that by placing another big shape over the background, do the gradient / texture there and adjust the transparency of the colors.
i am afraid i don't understad thatone...
Drawing two shapes

Make a copy of both.
Moving the name "Ellipse" over "Rec" and set "Operation: Shape+" for Ellipse will combine them.

Set Fill1 black, Fill2 white for the combined "Rec", make gradient color fill.

Set Fill1 60%, Fill2 20%

If desired, make a copy of the combined object, remove gradient, Fill1 medium gray, add texture with 100% intens., adjust Fill1 transparency.

thanks very much wok, i know thatone already, i just didn't get thatone in your first explanation...

however, i'll probably be back with more...

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:16 am

g200kg, feature requests for skinman:

- when putting shapes together for the operation modes (+, - etc., not grouping), please make them being treated in one go not only in the drawing window, but also in the properties window... maybe with a modifier key, so that it still behaves like it is now, as this also is required. it's a hassle to be forced to do that within the drawing window, i.e. if you have to do precise numerical size editings that have to be applied to various similar shapes.

- once the shapes are in a group, you cannot select them anymore, cycling through them via clicking on them doesn't include shapes in groups as it seems.

- and this one is _very_ impoertant:
could you please add a border mode called "inside"? often i have done a rectangle shape, and lateron in finishing a complex gui i decide to add a border - the whole gui gets messed up, as the border is _outside_ the shape, thus the shape gets bigger then. with a tick rectangle in the properties window called "border inside" or similar, one could choose the border to be inside the shape, so the shape doesn't ge bigger. also please keep in mind, that, if the border isn't 100% alpha, you should add a mode where either the colour of the shape is seen, or the underlaying shape is shining through.

i'll be back with more...

keep up the marvellous work!

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:50 pm

g200kg,

another feature request:

- could we please have absolute sizes of the shapes in the properties? so that we know the exact dimensions of a shape? would that be possible?

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:09 am

g200kg,

a bug report for skinman (or at least an inconsistency):

when rotating a shape, it changes the direction of moving accordingly. so when you i.e. do a triangle for the tip of an arrow, then want to move it via drag'n drop, it won't move to the desired direction as the reference has been rotated, too. that means, as soon as you group such a shape with some others and then select and move the group, the group is being changed in size as well as that the shape is moved _not_ into the direction the other grouped shapes are moved to.
essentially, the rotation of a shape should _not_ change the direction it will be moved to.

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:38 pm

brok landers wrote:g200kg,

a bug report for skinman (or at least an inconsistency):

when rotating a shape, it changes the direction of moving accordingly. so when you i.e. do a triangle for the tip of an arrow, then want to move it via drag'n drop, it won't move to the desired direction as the reference has been rotated, too. that means, as soon as you group such a shape with some others and then select and move the group, the group is being changed in size as well as that the shape is moved _not_ into the direction the other grouped shapes are moved to.
essentially, the rotation of a shape should _not_ change the direction it will be moved to.

yes, as WOK already reported, the rotaion of the 'Shape' has a problem.
i intend to change current internal struct of the 'Shape' in a huge way because it has many small problems.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:40 am

g200kg wrote:
brok landers wrote:g200kg,

a bug report for skinman (or at least an inconsistency):

when rotating a shape, it changes the direction of moving accordingly. so when you i.e. do a triangle for the tip of an arrow, then want to move it via drag'n drop, it won't move to the desired direction as the reference has been rotated, too. that means, as soon as you group such a shape with some others and then select and move the group, the group is being changed in size as well as that the shape is moved _not_ into the direction the other grouped shapes are moved to.
essentially, the rotation of a shape should _not_ change the direction it will be moved to.
yes, as WOK already reported, the rotaion of the 'Shape' has a problem.
i intend to change current internal struct of the 'Shape' in a huge way because it has many small problems.

hi g200kg, that's nice to hear, can't wait to see what you come up with! keep up your marvellous work!

Dunks · Post by **Dunks** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:52 pm

Feature request,

A rectangle and circle selection tool for skinman that works like graphics programs. Select an area ctrl-c it then ctrl-d it to create a new primitive image. If this was possible I wouldn't have to use import/export to gimp so often. Thanks g200kg keep up the good work!

Edit: Also pasting what's in the clipboard as a primitive image would be useful too.

Dunks · Post by **Dunks** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:03 pm

Also another request,

If you click on a primitive especially when zoomed in you have to scroll to that primitive, on large projects it can take a while to find zooming in and out helps but having the display focus on the newly selected primate would be quicker. I think this should be an option though as not everybody may like this.

SKINMAN, the new strike by g200kg (early early alpha)