New IK teaser

[fanfarecircuit]

And to add, if you tell them they are bothering you they swing around and protect the phone as if you are running their phone call Horrible. I'm surprised I haven't seen someone grab the phone and chuck it across the room!

i've done that.

[hibidy]

And to add, if you tell them they are bothering you they swing around and protect the phone as if you are running their phone call Horrible. I'm surprised I haven't seen someone grab the phone and chuck it across the room!

i've done that.

Really???? That's awsome!! I'd go to jail if I did that, so no thanks

[rocket34bg]

You can't walk down the street and not have people talking on those things......it's an embarrassment if you ask me.

I'm anti "the people who use them since they are so rude and inconsiderate".

cell phones should be illegal. those damn kids.. talking into their jabberboxes walking on sidewalks! they think they're sooooooo cool. ruining america if you ask me

why can't they just be happy with their good old fashion cubases and internet textbased chat forums?

[Pleasurehead]

what right does anyone have to judge like that? So what if a kid is using pre determined loops. Education is all pre determined anyway. Its the clever ones that sift through the bull shit and make their own path afterwards that become "musicians". I teach drums and battled with myself for years, should i or shouldnt i tell the parents that they aint that great and eventually came to the conclusion that their smile and obvious enjoyment is far more important. I would rather see my child spending hours fitting loops together than controlling some stupid fuckin character like super mario around for hours no a pathetic nintendo.

[redshift factor]

It seems awfully strange that the sales of T-RackS have plataued after this was announced. Even after reaching the 2000 target, sales accelerated. People were on a high and now it seems people are "coming down". Coincidence or something more? Conspiracy?

I think IKMM is reaching their upper limit of potential customers available to them for the T-RackS singles group buy. If they want to significantly increase sales of the T-RackS singles from this point, they are going to need to get existing group buy customers to buy in a 2nd time. Offering an alternate 6th plugin would give existing customers the necessary incentive, particularly if it was something like the stand-alone T-Racks 3 Classic EQ they gave away before, which gives the user the expandable shell that they can integrate their group buy singles into.

[headquest]

IK ruining the education of young people, not so!

Wow - did anyone say that? Certainly that wasn't my point...

The point I made (if it is me that is being refered to by you and a few others) is that there is a tendency in music education to totally dumb things down to a point where kids might be temporarily amused, but not challenged. That doesn't just apply to music education either - although it is a particular problem with music, and is one of the main reasons that so few take it to higher levels. Not simply my personal views here - the results of intensive research into the decline of music education in the UK by other researchers and the education inspectorate. IK are not responsible for this in any way shape or form, and I've not seen anyone in the thread say that.

If anything though, Andrew's comments that the new IK product could inspire more kids to get into music pandered to the idea that dumbing down "works", and I wanted to correct that misunderstanding before he makes himself look silly on the subject. That is not to say "IK are ruining music education, blah blah..." but simply to correct a wrong assumption. Seriously folks - Groovemaker is NOT going to revolutionise music education any more than it is going to revolutionise in music production. What is is going to be, at best, is a revolution in iPhone music making. That might be a fantastic thing - I don't really feel able to comment specifically on mobile phone music apps as I don't own and haven't used one. But if Groovemaker is a lot of fun, inspiring, etc... great! And good for IK.

Going a little deeper into it's educational merits, from what I have seen Groovemaker certainly encourages exploration and enquiry into some elements of music, such as texture and structure. That's great. But on the other hand it does not give children the capacity to explore melody, understand harmony or construct and perform rhythms. I don't really think it develops personal expressivity or communicaition, either. Nor does it neesarrily expand their knowledge of genre, unless they get totally hooked and buy sample sets for styles they don't know or even previously like! Like the worst music education I have seen, it panders to existing tastes and knowledge only, without providing challenge. For an existing musician using it as a tool to sketch ideas, or for the non-musician who wants to use it just as a game, this is all good. For education it is definitely not explicitly good though. (but once again... nor am I saying it is bad, or ruining anything!!)

Regarding the discipline of learning an instrument (particularly classical orchestral instruments, the piano, etc) what is needed is commitment over many years, patience and staying power. Even the best computer based music education products cannot instill these disciplines - most school based learning in other subjects is now in "bite-sized" chanks, which again pander to shorter attention spans. It's a real problem.

[hibidy]

cell phones should be illegal. those damn kids.. talking into their jabberboxes walking on sidewalks! they think they're sooooooo cool. ruining america if you ask me

why can't they just be happy with their good old fashion cubases and internet textbased chat forums?

a. it's not just kids, the kids really are not the problem

b. I'm not bothering anyone around me, driving erratically, or breaking the law when I'm typing on my "textbased" chat forum

[DarkStar]

I'm not bothering anyone around me, driving erratically, or breaking the law when I'm typing on my "textbased" chat forum

Try harder, then

Btw if you put the iphone up to your face in Florida the sweat makes it impossibel to hang up on the person you were talking to... so you have to be careful not to mutter "what a schmuck" after the conversation is over.

That'll be that 1-800-SCHMUCKS number you keep dialling.

[hibidy]

I'm not bothering anyone around me, driving erratically, or breaking the law when I'm typing on my "textbased" chat forum

Try harder, then

Na, I save my annoyances for ya'awl

[grymmjack]

You can't walk down the street and not have people talking on those things......it's an embarrassment if you ask me.

I'm anti "the people who use them since they are so rude and inconsiderate".

cell phones should be illegal. those damn kids.. talking into their jabberboxes walking on sidewalks! they think they're sooooooo cool. ruining america if you ask me

why can't they just be happy with their good old fashion cubases and internet textbased chat forums?

+1

cell phones suck.

the kids today think they are all f**king rockstars. they aren't beautiful and unique snowflakes. their faceypages and mybooks are fueling a egomaniacal fire at a young age that's going to have bad consequences when they grow up and realize they are just like everyone else and no matter what they own, associate with, or do in their free time it doesn't make a bit of difference they are still basic humanoids that will inevitably die and are stuck paying taxes in the freeworld.

don't get me started on the tweety birds.

*shakes cane*

[vespers75]

the kids today think they are all f**king rockstars. they aren't beautiful and unique snowflakes. their faceypages and mybooks are fueling a egomaniacal fire at a young age that's going to have bad consequences when they grow up and realize they are just like everyone else and no matter what they own, associate with, or do in their free time it doesn't make a bit of difference they are still basic humanoids that will inevitably die and are stuck paying taxes in the freeworld.

This is an excellent post, grymm. And so true.

[DuX]

I'm gonna copy this post into my library of best posts ever Grymm . Absolutely true.

Cheers!

[rectus_dominus]

Grymm, I agree, but we kids need those images of uniquity for the mating rituals

[spritex]

an iPhone app?

What did I win?

[redshift factor]

the kids today think they are all f**king rockstars. they aren't beautiful and unique snowflakes. their faceypages and mybooks are fueling a egomaniacal fire at a young age that's going to have bad consequences when they grow up and realize they are just like everyone else and no matter what they own, associate with, or do in their free time it doesn't make a bit of difference they are still basic humanoids that will inevitably die and are stuck paying taxes in the freeworld.

But what about when the whole world is run by them? In fact, looking at the American political leadership, perhaps it has already started...

When the whole world believes they are rockstars and special snowflakes, who will be left to tell anyone otherwise?