KVR Audio

macmurphy · Post by **macmurphy** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:46 pm

standalone wrote: BS

well said.

xx JPRacer xx · Post by **xx JPRacer xx** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:36 pm

Isn't sampling sounds from a synth you don't own illegal? I was under the impression that's what the license state in many synths.

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:50 pm

Fabriciom wrote:Hello, not sure if this is the right place to ask but, is there any offers going around or group buys for this synth?

-Thanks

I don't think there's ever been a GB on GForce instruments but could be wrong. There's always a first time though.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:01 pm

and that's probably reason#46 why companies like spectrasonics don't ever put out demos.
Always something on kvr that makes me go WTF!!!!!!

rsp

FrankT · Post by **FrankT** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:01 pm

Downloaded the PC demo and just couldnt stop playing. Excellent synth and e.g. the best pads I have ever played. Definitely want this synth. Just one prob: the arp presets dont seem to sync correctly? Tried the arps fxp in Cubase 6 with Stylus RMX drum loops and the presets just wouldnt snap to the rhythm/tempo. What am I missing?

JonHodgson · Post by **JonHodgson** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:14 pm

FrankT wrote:Downloaded the PC demo and just couldnt stop playing. Excellent synth and e.g. the best pads I have ever played. Definitely want this synth. Just one prob: the arp presets dont seem to sync correctly? Tried the arps fxp in Cubase 6 with Stylus RMX drum loops and the presets just wouldnt snap to the rhythm/tempo. What am I missing?

So long as you're set to external sync, then you should get X notes per bar, synced to the bar (where X is the value you choose with the tempo knob). It works for everything else I know of, so I can't see why Cubase 6 would be any different.

robgxmn · Post by **robgxmn** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:01 am

Shy wrote:
JonHodgson wrote:
Shy wrote:No serious developer is gonna care if someone samples their synth.
I'm a serious developer, and I do, in this context where he's avoiding paying for it.

I and others have put a great deal of work into producing those sounds, not only me developing the synth itself, and people helping test it, but also the people who worked on making and perfecting those patches.

Is it too much to ask that people who want to use those sounds give something back in return, i.e. pay for what I think is a very reasonably priced synth?

Seems to me to just be bad manners realy, both to those behind the sounds, and people who've joined the club by purchasing, like somebody gatecrashing a party and drinking the booze that everyone else brought.
I'm all for buying a product if I like the sounds I can get from it, but if I made a synth (-synth-, not sampler/rompler, and either software or hardware) and someone's demands from it were so low that sampling it to play back some notes later was enough for them, it wouldn't bother me. The vast majority of the sounds a synth that isn't very simple could make can't be adequately "sampled" as far as I'm concerned and if someone didn't care about that and settled for samples, then it would tell me he doesn't need the actual synth in the first place. Frustrating for a serious synth maker or synth patch/preset maker, maybe, not because someone sampled their work, but because someone doesn't appreciate their work enough to buy it and enough to understand it and not settle for sampling of it. That really is frustrating, but what can ya do.

Hoisted by your own petard.

If it's simple, you could do it on your own. Whether or not you agree with the developer's Terms and Conditions is beside the point. You agreed to them to get the demo.

You know it's unethical and you're trying to justify yourself and failing, but I think you know that too.

chj · Post by **chj** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:57 am

wtf, read the last sentence. Then, learn the law, learn how to do business, and learn not to be boyscouts.

chj wrote:Downloaded the demo with the plan of sampling presets that were particularly appealing. With some other synths I sometimes come away with only 2-3 sampled presets. I've only gone through basses with Imposcar and I've sampled several. Probably a good sign that I should just buy it.

1) Learn the law
No, sampling a synth is not illegal. As long as it's not factory presets, sampling a synth and distributing it is not even illegal. For example Kontakt synths? Anyone think NI's breaking the law? (If you didn't notice, I'm not even distributing anything.)

2) Learn how to do business
I used the FM8 demo for months by bouncing quick segments to audio. UNTIL I EVENTUALLY BOUGHT IT. After several crossgrades/upgrades, etc., that purchase eventually turned into Komplete 7/Kore. You think NI is upset I sampled FM8?

3) Learn not to be boyscouts
A developer puts out a demo with the hopes you'll realize it is most definitely worthwhile to buy it. Those synths that I only sample 2-3 sounds from? Hell no, they'll never get a purchase, because they're not WORTH a purchase. Since I'm loving the Imposcar demo so much it is very likely it will get a purchase.

Finally, sampling is not even close to the same as having the synth. All that great stereo motion that Imposcar 2 does? Impossible to capture in a sampled version. Automation of any of Imposcar's parameters also of course impossible to capture in a sampled synth, which is just a stagnant snapshot.

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:01 am

chj wrote: 3) Learn not to be boyscouts
A developer puts out a demo with the hopes you'll realize it is most definitely worthwhile to buy it. Those synths that I only sample 2-3 sounds from? Hell no, they'll never get a purchase, because they're not WORTH a purchase.

The dev himself, in this thread, has said he doesn't want people to sample the demo. Not that I care either way, but that's what HE said.

All the other conjecture you're posting is moot.

Maybe you should learn to be a little bit more discreet about what you post?

chj · Post by **chj** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:09 am

Then the post is especially for the developer. I'm not sampling to avoid buying it. I sample any useful sounds when I'm demo'ing a synth. But most of them would never get a purchase anyway. The ones that I end up loving while demo'ing get a purchase, like I mentioned Imposcar probably will.

Honestly, I posted as nothing but a complement to Imposcar 2. Didn't realize some people really don't know the law, business, etc. So yeah, I guess I'll be more discreet, but not because there's anything wrong with my post, because some in this crowd are obviously oversensitive about anything they incorrectly think might be illegal.

pikadilly · Post by **pikadilly** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:40 am

chj, give it a rest. I can't see the point why you defending yourself on this. Put yourself in Jon's shoes, do you want others do and brag the same thing to your work in public? Sampling could be an art, but so is choosing when and where to say it. You should exert some common sense mate.

Bottomline is it only took you a few minutes sampling Jon's synth. But Jon and his colleagues spent years to developer and refine it. Less than 5 days after GForce releasing the vst synth and now you brightest of all the brights popping in this thread and gloating how right their behaviours are? Gees.

chj · Post by **chj** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:50 am

Yes, I should give it a rest, because there is no bragging or gloating in any of my posts. There are a whole lot of complements on what a great synth Imposcar 2 is, but obviously everyone just sees what they want to see.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:52 am

Echoes in the Attic wrote:A
With regards to the volume decrease, that makes sense with the unison, however it does make the max volume be rather low now. I've got patch without unison (using V1 patches) where the level is maxed out and I can't find anywhere else to raise the level so I end up have to use a utility device to bring the volume back up. I think the plug-in itself should still have a way to compensate (The Master Level should go higher - if using unison means you have to pull the level down well so be it).

cheers,

Enjoy your vacation!

I whole heartedly agree. The sound of this plug is great. Smooth as silk, but when I was trying to come up with a lead that cut though my fairly dense mix, it was a no go. I had to put it though a compressor or preamp of some sort. I really think that most presets could be "normalized" even manually, no? Seems like a big oversight and could make it an awkward to use synth for anything other than pads and "bed" sounds.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:05 am

chj wrote: 1) Learn the law
No, sampling a synth is not illegal. As long as it's not factory presets, sampling a synth and distributing it is not even illegal. For example Kontakt synths? Anyone think NI's breaking the law? (If you didn't notice, I'm not even distributing anything.)

This is all correct if you purchased a license for the synth!!

chj wrote:
Finally, sampling is not even close to the same as having the synth. All that great stereo motion that Imposcar 2 does? Impossible to capture in a sampled version. Automation of any of Imposcar's parameters also of course impossible to capture in a sampled synth, which is just a stagnant snapshot.

If you do a quite long stereo sample (several seconds) this should be also included in the sample. Finding a loop point could be more difficult in that case but is possible.
Again: There is no difference in rendering a full song with Stereo movement or a sample as long as the sample is long enough. But in the demo of ImpOScar 2 you could not do that because of the Noise bursts and this is the sense of those!!

Ingo

JonHodgson · Post by **JonHodgson** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:41 am

chj wrote:Yes, I should give it a rest, because there is no bragging or gloating in any of my posts. There are a whole lot of complements on what a great synth Imposcar 2 is, but obviously everyone just sees what they want to see.

I'm glad you like it, and hope you will buy, and will welcome you to the owber's club if you do.

But that doesn't change my position on what it seems from what you said you've done on more than one occasion. I'm not commenting on the legality of it, I don't even know the specific terms and conditions the imp is distributed under, I just consider it bad manners.

I think of the developer-user connection as a sharing relationship, each side gives, one side gives its time and expertise, the other side gives a little money, someone circumenting that is just not cricket!

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