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audio_dude · Post by **audio_dude** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:18 pm

Hi guys,

in Tremor, is it possible to link sequencer's tracks to individual MIDI outputs ?
(it could be nice since the sequencer seems to offer interesting features)

Thanks

PS: just in case, I'm using the latest version of FLS

whitecloud · Post by **whitecloud** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:28 pm

I am really surprised there are so many negative impressions both with the sounds and the Seq. I think I was the first one here to mention the lack of drag and drop feature and thought that was a deal breaker. I then decided to go ahead and install the Demo. I did watch the tutorial vid and give the manual a quick look over. A quick mention that I bought the holiday special of both Geist and DCAM.
and waited to install until I received the 8 gigs of ram I ordered and received a few days ago. The Demo's of Geist and DCAM were still both alive.
I have worked with Geist more(demo) and thought this is a must buy. At the same time I was demoing Geist I was also giving Punch's demo a workout as I wanted a synth based drum instrument to compliment Geist. Really was thinking of pulling the trigger on Punch(I love RP-delay). then became aware of DCAM Synth Squad and noticed the Holiday deal like Geist's. So I downloaded the demo, and couldn't pass up an offer like this. So I bought DCAM instead of Punch but still had it on my to buy list. Enter Tremor.
Impressions after a couple of hours before dinner time yesterday afternoon.
I love the seq, so easy and fun to use, especially compared to Punch. Even though Punch has midi drag and drop, you can't input the notes via midi,
just draw them in. Triggering the grooves and breaks in Punch doesn't seem
to be as easy or effective than when I tried doing so in Tremor. After looking at the keyboard layout for triggering patterns and inputting notes in each engine, I was just flying around. I was great to go back and work with some of the other editing features in Tremor. Today I will give the Tremor demo a longer work-out.

Sounds, well I am actually glad there wasn't as many "bread and butter" sounds as other's put it. I really think you should be able to program them but I like many of the preset sounds. More refreshing. Hell I have ton's of 909 808 etc samples to work with in Geist, so for me I am digging the sounds I am hearing. I do agree with others as far as some of the overdriven sounds not being so great. I do hope I can tailor these types of drums sounds to my liking.
CPU, well so far I am not having any major issues there as I expected from what
other's have shared. I don't have a powerful computer(intel(R) Core(TM)i3 cpu
550@ 3.20 GZ 8 gigs of ram running Win7 64 bit home premium).
First I used Cubase 6 Artist64 bit and running Tremor alone the performance meter was around 20%. I then loaded one instance of Strobe and one of Cypher and set the over sampling to 4 times on each. Did one instances of Tremor using most of the engines and a track a piece for Strobe and Cyper. The performance meter went up to about 40%. I did a brief go in Reaper and will try that more today. I have a couple of knob and button ridden midi keyboard controllers and borrowing a friends nano pad(I'll set that up today for Tremor) My plan was to buy the Akai MPD32 in Feb, but might pick up Tremor and Vahalla room and get the Akai after that.
Drag and Drop, yes please do. I will say however I set up the metronome in both Cubase and Reaper and triggered Tremors patterns following it and all looped spot on the recorded midi track.

Customer service, well FX is great, they have been quick and helpful with my pre-sales questions and have been great since I am now a registered user.
Many have mentioned how much they like Sonic-charge U-tonic. I have downloaded the demo and will give it a go as well. I have to admit the tutorial vid on their site didn't impress me, and I notice little activity on the forums and upgrades. I read a forum post re: 64 bit and they answer was that will occur sometime, don't know when and there may be an extra charge for it
Most of my plugs now are 64 bit and I am shy to buy anymore 32 bit plugs in the future. So if there isn't any major issues with Tremor that I discover in the next few weeks, I'll buy it.

Phase47 · Post by **Phase47** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:39 pm

whitecloud wrote:Many have mentioned how much they like Sonic-charge U-tonic. I have downloaded the demo and will give it a go as well. I have to admit the tutorial vid on their site didn't impress me, and I notice little activity on the forums and upgrades. I read a forum post re: 64 bit and they answer was that will occur sometime, don't know when and there may be an extra charge for it

Just as an aside, I had sent them an email about future updates to Microtonic, as this was a concern to me as well. The reply was that update is coming soon and will be free of charge.

5Lives · Post by **5Lives** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:41 pm

Anybody that has a Dave Smith / Roger Linn Tempest or has tried one compared it to Tremor? Would be interested in your thoughts.

CANE CREEK · Post by **CANE CREEK** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:03 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote:I went through a whole bunch of presets last night, hoping to pick up some tricks, alas no lol

I also thought the majority of the sounds were distorted. I tried turning down the mater out, turne dof pre and post stages but it was still there.
It would be great to have some 'rounder' sounds and I cent believe there isnt a 909 kit in there somewhere!!

Main gripe - factory patterns are really crap!

Selling your car because you don't like the fluffy dice that came with it.

5Lives · Post by **5Lives** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:22 pm

CANE CREEK wrote:Selling your car because you don't like the fluffy dice that came with it.

Some people like to use presets to evaluate a product - surprise, surprise! Some people like presets (that work for them) because it gives them solid starting points to jump off from and tweak. Believe it or not, presets give potential customers an idea of what the product is capable of and what sounds they can get from it.

I listened to the presets for DCAM and demoed it even though I wasn't a big fan of the presets (that was a common complaint btw). However, I never quite gelled with the sound of DCAM...similar to how I never gelled with the preset sounds.

Get off your high horse.

metrosonic · Post by **metrosonic** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:28 pm

CANE CREEK wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:I went through a whole bunch of presets last night, hoping to pick up some tricks, alas no lol

I also thought the majority of the sounds were distorted. I tried turning down the mater out, turne dof pre and post stages but it was still there.
It would be great to have some 'rounder' sounds and I cent believe there isnt a 909 kit in there somewhere!!

Main gripe - factory patterns are really crap!
Selling your car because you don't like the fluffy dice that came with it.

I purchased Tremor after demoing it for a few days but almost turned it down because the vast majority of presets are over-compressed/processed and it left me with a very bad impression with regards to the quality of the product. It was only after I dug into to synthesis engine and started creating my own drum presets that I realised how great a product Tremor is (and how warm the deep synthesis engine can be).

I'm aware that presets are a matter of individual taste and I'm certainly not the first to mention how poor the bundled presets are (there's a multitude of people here on KVR who have voiced a similar opinion). Fxpansion have worked with a number of talented third party individuals to provide the presets but the selection that made the cut have an almost universal industrial type feel to them, the processing is that extreme in many cases.

Complaining about the presets isn't reflective of being a lazy musician or a preset jockey. Presets generally help people decide if a particular instrument is going to suit their needs and unfortunately to my mind the Tremor presets aren't reflective of how great an achievement Tremor actually is.

JM
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http://soundcloud.com/leftside-wobble

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:33 pm

5Lives wrote:Anybody that has a Dave Smith / Roger Linn Tempest or has tried one compared it to Tremor? Would be interested in your thoughts.

Yes I've had the Tempest since the day it was released, which is about the same time as beta testing Tremor. Two different beasts IMO, and although it's been tempting to compare the sound directly with some carefully programmed patches, it's too much fun using both to be bothered.

I certainly wouldn't say one is "better" than the other, just different but there are some key differences. Most obviously, Tempest has a clear advantage as a performance instrument because the interface (pads, knobs etc.) is custom built for hands on live programming and tweaking of beats.

One of the best features of Tempest is the ability to instantly recall any beat (made of up 16 sounds and sequences), without any loading time or (unwanted) glitches. While this might sound fairly ordinary, each of the 16 sounds is a complete synth (4 oscillators, filters, envelopes, modulation etc.) so it's like loading 16 new presets at the touch of a pad.

The cloud oscillator concept of Tremor is pretty unique to drum synthesis AFAIK, so you're not going to get that with Tempest, and Tremor has more effects and much broader selection of filters. Because of this, there would be a whole range of sounds Tremor can do that are just not possible with Tempest. The modulation system is Tremor is also far more extensive, but Tempest is certainly not lacking in that area.

TL;DR

Both Tremor and Tempest are excellent drum synths, both are different enough to be worth owning, and will provide many years of tweaking good fun.

Peace,
Andy.

*edit for mistakes

CANE CREEK · Post by **CANE CREEK** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:33 pm

5Lives wrote:
CANE CREEK wrote:Selling your car because you don't like the fluffy dice that came with it.
Some people like to use presets to evaluate a product - surprise, surprise! Some people like presets (that work for them) because it gives them solid starting points to jump off from and tweak. Believe it or not, presets give potential customers an idea of what the product is capable of and what sounds they can get from it. .

I know all about presents purchase alot from soundsdevine and i sometimes use presets and tweak from there, however when I have a ground breaking plugin like Tremor infront of me and see the endless sound possibilitys it can provide I'd be embarrassed to come on a forum just ranting on about poor presets.

So make yourself useful and get ranting about lack of Drag & drop midi to DAW instead

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:37 pm

I'm not a preset hater by any means, but I think that Tremor in particular is one drum synth that really begs to be tweaked. That said, I bought it after reading a day's worth of complaints about the presets, so my expectations were low going into it, so maybe that's why I think that they're much better than I expected. For those who are turned off by them, I would suggest diving in and tweaking, if you haven't already. Tremor's interface is really easy to navigate IMO and the trans-mod is an easy way to get things moving, twisting, turning, etc. Also, I would add that, since Tremor is a synth that doesn't require additional samples etc. (e.g., like Geist and many other drum plugins), there's a good chance that we'll be seeing plenty of affordable banks from both FXpansion and 3rd party designers in the not too distant future.

BTW, nice post whitecloud! ^^^

JD Gaffe · Post by **JD Gaffe** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:38 pm

http://www.ohgodwhatisgoingon.com/simpleloop.mp3

Made this from scratch real quick, out of curiosity, is this the type of simple sounds that people are looking for in Tremor presets? Or am I missing something.

rexlapin · Post by **rexlapin** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:13 pm

Really digging the ability to set the loop length
independently for each engine!

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:19 pm

JD Gaffe wrote:http://www.ohgodwhatisgoingon.com/simpleloop.mp3

Made this from scratch real quick, out of curiosity, is this the type of simple sounds that people are looking for in Tremor presets? Or am I missing something.

Sounds cool

Chers
Dennis

metrosonic · Post by **metrosonic** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:20 pm

rexlapin wrote:Really digging the ability to set the loop length
independently for each engine!

Ditto. I didn't think I'd have any interest in the sequencer functionality but the ability to easily set up constantly evolving polyrhythms with such ease is a real winner. Can't believe nobody else thought of this before!

JM
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http://soundcloud.com/leftside-wobble

ezelkow1 · Post by **ezelkow1** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:36 pm

metrosonic wrote:
rexlapin wrote:Really digging the ability to set the loop length
independently for each engine!
Ditto. I didn't think I'd have any interest in the sequencer functionality but the ability to easily set up constantly evolving polyrhythms with such ease is a real winner. Can't believe nobody else thought of this before!

You can do it in nerve, always been a nice feature of the sequencer in there

Fxpansion have a NEW drum synth on the way!