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BTW, there is a new PyDAW release out last night, I've channelled Bitwig for the main MIDI arrangement window:

EDIT: I think SourceForge is refusing to serve that image because it got too many direct hits, here's the link:

EDIT EDIT: OK, they seem to be outright refusing it altogether now, you'll have to find it in the gallery here, sorry:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/libmod ... rce=navbar
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jeffh wrote: We have a thread about Arch here:

http://pydaw.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13
Thanks, that cleared some things, but the problem still remains. I agree, Arch does things differently from other 64-bit systems I've used, but it performs extremely well for my work.

And you're right, I'm building from your git sources. I've downloaded the ISO and will test with the flash drive on the 64-bit box. If I'm feeling frisky I'll come back to testing a local build, but I'll use yours for the review.
I'm not sure what would be wrong with it to cause XRuns, unless Arch has some bleeding-edge library package that's introducing bugs.
The xruns occur on the Ubuntu system. Haven't got that far on Arch yet. :)
...I known you know how to create a live USB flash drive, but I would still recommend using my official instructions in the link on that page to ensure an optimal experience.
Have read the instructions, got the ISO, will work with it later today.
StudioDave wrote: I have no problem like on the Arch box, but I get a steady stream of xruns when playing a single WAV
As an audio track? Or in my sampler?
In the sampler.
StudioDave wrote:MIDI capability, etc. Let me know if there are specific aspects you'd like tested.
... The audio track features are useful enough, but not at all great if you're ONLY going to be using them and not MIDI.
Understood.
See how the live USB or the official Ubuntu packages work for you.
Will do. My build on Ubuntu is good to go, but I'll check out the official package too.

dp
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tweetor_eator wrote:
ret wrote: Nothing wrong with using Ubuntu
unfortunately, i think there is. horridly broken, on a path to destruction.
This is exactly why I didn't want to use it...
ret wrote:
jeffh wrote: Believe me, I wasn't going to use Ubuntu, in fact, the Live DVD/USB was based on Linux Mint until about 1 week before release when I make the last second decision to change it. Here's why:
Nothing wrong with using Ubuntu, especially when your plan is to attract new people to start using linux and your software. After all, even with it's faults Ubuntu is a widely used distro with a very good documentation and forums.

Most people who get interested about linux or some linux software give it that one chance (two if they're stubborn) and with Ubuntu that one chance is most likely a success.
...and this is exactly why I wound up using it anyways :D

What burns me the most about Ubuntu 12.10+ is f_cking advertisements on the desktop. So when I search Unity for "L337 p0rn filez", that gets relayed to Amazon, and they attempt to sell me some that I surely already own... Then the feds buy that not-so-private data, then one day when I'm running for president... Well, you get the idea...

But, as much as I didn't want to use it, it really was my best choice for Windows users.. That's not to say I couldn't provide an alternative image too... Maybe PyDAW-OS [insert alternate distro] Edition? Why not? It takes me all of 15 minutes to re-spin an .ISO, I think I can handle the extra work...
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tweetor_eator wrote: :) generally im not one for holding back, tbh i think the brain to mouth filter has like disintegrated or summat. trackers ???? jeez. i remember them. used to use em on amiga. wouldnt use em now tho, too fiddly for me, i like graphics n gooeys for music. but of course in linux: gooey for show, bash for a pro :D
I definitely understand that... I've spent about 30 minutes out of my entire life with trackers, I saw the merits, but they're too geeky, even for me... and I'm a hot-shot Linux geek that has an "in" with half of Silicon Valley :D

So I tried to take the tracker-like approach to music, but then making it as gooey as possible ;) It will actually continue to get more graphical until it's a full convergence of tracker and DAW... So let's suffice it to say that this isn't your grandma's tracker :D
tweetor_eator wrote: mmmm. why the focus on beginners!? wouldnt people who do music more likely be a bit tech anyway....
I think "beginners" and "advanced" have different meaning in the context of Linux distros:

advanced: requires "fixing" before it's usable
beginners: is immediately usable without opening a terminal

But you're right, we should be standing against Ubuntu on principle, and I'll continue to evaluate alternatives... LMDE is probably worth another shot... But there's no reason I can't maintain 2 different editions with 2 different base distros for as long as necessary...

tweetor_eator wrote: <monty> RUN AWAY!!!! </monty> :D
Ah... Crap... I scared him away :D
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StudioDave wrote: And you're right, I'm building from your git sources. I've downloaded the ISO and will test with the flash drive on the 64-bit box. If I'm feeling frisky I'll come back to testing a local build, but I'll use yours for the review.
If you intend to keep up with my latest Git, I have a couple of suggestions that may be useful:

1. It could break... Or, the file format may change, and you may need to delete this folder: ~/pydaw2 ... This could actually be your problem now, if you had one from the pre-PyDAW2 release era... I wasn't anticipating people using my latest Git, so I didn't broadcast that bit of info... I only keep that stuff tidy after major releases...

2. I have detailed some debugging helpers here:

http://pydaw.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11

Including a one-liner for compiling/running with debug symbols, with the ability to create a core dump.. Then there's also some other "debug modes" that may be less interesting to you as an "edger"... But the debug.sh script immediately makes available the exact cause of any crash, usually with little ambiguity as to what went wrong.
StudioDave wrote: The xruns occur on the Ubuntu system. Haven't got that far on Arch yet. :)
Assuming deleting ~/pydaw2 doesn't fix it, could it be the particular .wav file? At one point, there was a crash from unexpected values returned from libsndfile on certain samples but I fixed that one... Maybe this is another related issue with that? Or could the sample have more than 2 channel? I've been meaning to see what happens with loading surround-sound samples(not that Euphoria supports them), but I've never seen any in the wild...
StudioDave wrote: Will do. My build on Ubuntu is good to go, but I'll check out the official package too.
So it's all good now?
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jeffh wrote: What burns me the most about Ubuntu 12.10+ is f_cking advertisements on the desktop.
Yeah. It's a big mess right now. I mostly use Kubuntu 12.04 and sort of tend forget these Ubuntu / unity problems... Not that I hate unity at all. It looks ok and even works for some and is still way better than windows 8 and its whatever-it-is-called thing...
jeffh wrote: I'll continue to evaluate alternatives... LMDE is probably worth another shot...
Maybe... But why not go straight to Debian wheezy instead?
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ret wrote:Maybe... But why not go straight to Debian wheezy instead?
I've found it to be either less reliable than Ubuntu, and/or probably not able to boot a brand-new PC with the latest and greatest CPU or GPU...

I think this basically comes down to Ubuntu having over 50% of the Linux desktop market... There really is a reason why they have >50% and Debian probably has <10% ;)

EDIT: Yeah... 3.2 kernel in Debian Wheezy... That already probably won't be able to run AMD Trinity or Intel Ivy Bridge with proper 3D drivers for the GPU(if at all), let alone the next generation of CPUs coming out later this year. Then, it will probably continue to use that 3.2 kernel for a while...

This is why attempting to maintain my own complete distro would be an epic fail... I don't have nearly the resources or manpower Canonical has, how could I possibly do a better job of making a Debian-based distro than they are already doing?
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Hey Dave:

FYI, I just spun up a quick bug fix release that might interest you... It contains a fix for jerky song-level automation under some conditions, and a few minor bugs elsewhere, but also I properly specified Python2 as the interpreter to use, which may help fix Arch...

(not to be construed as me saying that Arch is an officially supported platform or that I condone people using PyDAW on it, because it's not and I don't. When the Arch people can commit to officially working on any PC I try it on without me "fixing" it first, then we can talk about official support. ;) )
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Totally off-topic but... Too bad all the juicy conversation vanished as most long time linux preachers went back hiding to their own home corners to have that warm fuzzy feeling that outside world does not exist.

Maybe one day they understand that exactly is the main problem. There are at least 20 million linux users so at least in theory there should be much more audio software users than there currently is. It says all about the quality and status of linux audio as a whole. Sorry for being one of the linux users saying it out loud.
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ret wrote:went back hiding to their own home corners to have that warm fuzzy feeling that outside world does not exist.
Busy recording and mastering in a home corner that does exist,
without the troubles and whining expressed so eloquently.

Why bother beating your self-proclaimed dead horse,
when you could be recording and mastering?
Do the 20 million ignorant linux lemmings
need a pied piper? Can't they self-destruct on their own
without your guidance?

'Look Mommy, the pied piper has no clothes :-o '
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ret wrote:Too bad all the juicy conversation vanished as most long time linux preachers went back hiding to their own home corners to have that warm fuzzy feeling that outside world does not exist.
What a gasbag you are, ret. :)

Reviewing jeffh's software on three systems, teaching full time, writing new pieces, editing movies from my students' last concert, writing new articles, dealing with daily life with wife & grandkids, wrestling with two dying DMP11s, setting up gigs for my band, planning another student show, activities all of which are infinitely preferable to further participation in polemics. You want me to check out your software or listen to your music, I'm your man. Otherwise, it's "No time for love, Doctor Jones."

dp
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ret wrote:Totally off-topic but... Too bad all the juicy conversation vanished as most long time linux preachers went back hiding to their own home corners to have that warm fuzzy feeling that outside world does not exist.

Maybe one day they understand that exactly is the main problem. There are at least 20 million linux users so at least in theory there should be much more audio software users than there currently is. It says all about the quality and status of linux audio as a whole. Sorry for being one of the linux users saying it out loud.
I don't know man... I'm not going to say that I disagree with you, or otherwise try to throw you under the bus, but taking the internet equivalent of a "victory lap" rarely advances anybody's cause ;)
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No worries, I don't mind. After all there's Seq24 and ZynAddSubFX waiting for new notes coming from my Akai mpk. :wink:

I apologize if I hurt someone's feelings. Just keep working on music on whatever software you wanna work on with whatever os suites your needs best.
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ret wrote:No worries, I don't mind. After all there's Seq24 and ZynAddSubFX waiting for new notes coming from my Akai mpk. :wink:

I apologize if I hurt someone's feelings. Just keep working on music on whatever software you wanna work on with whatever os suites your needs best.
Feelings? This is a text forum, feelings are not hurt, neither are bones.
With each post, we either build a positive reputation, or erode what we have.

Feelings are for facebook and Oprah.
'Conditions', for Dr. Phil :hihi:
Cheers
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jeffh wrote: beginners: is immediately usable without opening a terminal
I love it when I try a distro, and the only terminal is either
nested three menus deep, or lurking in /usr/bin...

...the location I check with the terminal to see if the
distro has the basics I need :roll:

'dumbduntoo linux' spreading like a rash.

There may be some Bestbuy Chromebooks in stock this week,
saw one getting purchased yesterday. They said they had several more.
Maybe they do free store-to-store shipping, like Guitar Center?
Cheers
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