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fceramic · Post by **fceramic** » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:04 pm

Just tested 64 bit Wave 3.V in Numerology. Unfortunately it seems to be really buggy since I can only edit part 1. All the controls for other parts are either frozen or receive some input but have no effect. I guess you revamped the GUI system.
I also have some serious GUI issues with 2.V where controls can get stuck and I have to relaunch the plugin to get it working again.
Did not think something this buggy would be a release candidate, so I kinda regret overwriting the previous working versions.

bharris22 · Post by **bharris22** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:01 am

I have had a bunch of trouble trying to install Waldorf Edition LE 64 bit version on my Windows 7 machine. I run the .exe file and it says "process terminated unexpectedly" immediately afterward. Has anyone else run into this issue?

Thanks!

Everglide · Post by **Everglide** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:15 am

Ingonator wrote:
Rommelaar wrote:Thanks for the info, Ingo. It feels good that it gets noticed.

BTW I bought the set you made for the Blofeld, Analog vs Digital. Amazing sounds !
Many thanks for purchasing the soundset and the nice comment. I hope you will have fun with it.

BTW with the update i had checked the pattern in the Largo Arp in the past but i did not switch presets after that (at least not with the Arp windows open) so i din't notice the problem.

Ingo, have you considered matching/adapting your Analog vs Digital sound bank in Largo? Mystery Island successfully did so with 'Best of Both Worlds' which is worth checking out if anyone is new to Largo

jalcide · Post by **jalcide** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:27 am

double post, sorry.

jalcide · Post by **jalcide** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:31 am

jalcide wrote:
Everglide wrote:...'Best of Both Worlds' which is worth checking out if anyone is new to Largo

Thanks for this nugget. I found it and the patches in the demo indeed sound amazing.

It's unclear in the summary text whether all 128 patches are Largo. Very annoying, ambiguous wording:

"128 Massive sounds for the huge range of Waldorf synths. ... 128 fresh patches for Waldorf Largo (software), Q-Series (hardware) and Blofeld (hardware)."

I'm left wondering how many of them are Largo patches; 128 x the 3 units, or 128 total.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:24 am

fceramic wrote:Just tested 64 bit Wave 3.V in Numerology. Unfortunately it seems to be really buggy since I can only edit part 1. All the controls for other parts are either frozen or receive some input but have no effect. I guess you revamped the GUI system.
I also have some serious GUI issues with 2.V where controls can get stuck and I have to relaunch the plugin to get it working again.
Did not think something this buggy would be a release candidate, so I kinda regret overwriting the previous working versions.

I am quite sure nobody tested in Numerology yet. It is not a "usual" host for testing.
To be honest i didn't even know what Numerology even is and i had a look now.
As Numerology seems to be Mac only i could not even check the demo version here as i got Windows 7 64-bit only.
Anyway in other hosts like e.g. Ableton Live 9, Reaper, Cubase, Logic and others (i mostly use Live 9 and Reaper) it seems to be less buggy than you describe. I could also not confirm a stuck PPG Wave 2.V GUI here.

Switching to different parts works here when using the PROG button at the GUI and clicking on the numbers at the left of the list (in the "PART" column).

Just a question: Did all this work for you with the old 32-bit plugin? Do you have the same problems with the new 32-bit plugin?

UPDATE:
If i understand it right Numerology is not a standalone host/DAW bit is a AU or VST plugins itself running in another host (and it could host only AUs itself). If this is true in which host/DAW you are using it?
Using a host plugin within another host could be veery problematic IMO and fo sure this is not really ussal for testing purposes.

If you got e.g. Logic or another host is there a comparable problem when using PPG Wave 3.V in it directly?

I got Mutools MUX that could also host VST plugins while it is a plugin itself. Will try to have a look at that one.

Ingo

Phase47 · Post by **Phase47** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:48 pm

Ingonator wrote:If i understand it right Numerology is not a standalone host/DAW bit is a AU or VST plugins itself running in another host (and it could host only AUs itself).

It can be that, as you described, but Numerology also comes as a standalone app that can host AU/VST, etc. (And it's bloody amazing.)

jalcide · Post by **jalcide** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:36 pm

The Author of Best of Both Worlds soundset promptly replied to me. It's 128 patches for Largo (as well as each of the other synths). Awesome. Buying now.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:22 am

jalcide wrote:
Ingonator wrote:UPDATE:
The Arpeggiator problem mentioned above seems to be a GUI refresh problem. If i close and re-open the GUI it seems to look OK again.

Ingo
Bug confirmed here, as well.

(Windows 7 x64, Cubase 7.5.2 x64, Largo VST3 64-bit / 1.5.2 RC1)

For doing a proper bug report and offer an opportunity to test on other platforms and plugin formats i just created a picture that involves doing 6 screenshots (short descriptions inside the picture):

For doing the screenshots i used Largo VST2 64-bit in Live 9.1.3 64-bit on Windows 7 64-bit.

The last one shows that this is a problem with GUI refresh and does not really habe an impact on the actual sound of the patch.

Like someone mentioned above i could also confirm this for the VST3 plugin in Cubase 7.5 64-bit.

Ingo

Rommelaar · Post by **Rommelaar** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:45 am

Do you think this gets fixed soon? Or will this be patched at a later stage?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:04 am

Rommelaar wrote:Do you think this gets fixed soon? Or will this be patched at a later stage?

It is reported now but i don't know when exactly it will be fixed. Based on my experience with other bugs i found that bugs related to the GUi like this one seem to be easier to fix than others (e.g. CPU/performance related bugs).

Ingo

jalcide · Post by **jalcide** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:39 pm

It might be a little longer, as I suspect it's a framework issue that may require a library update (for the coder), which would likely impact other areas. Let's hope I'm wrong.

Btw, side commentary as a new Largo user: I just don't understand why it sounds so darn good.

It has serious mojo.

jalcide · Post by **jalcide** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:41 pm

Also, I'm getting a different behavior with the GUI bug. A redraw error during actual manipulation of it.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:05 pm

jalcide wrote:Also, I'm getting a different behavior with the GUI bug. A redraw error during actual manipulation of it.

Had that too. Actually it is not much different from my test. Just a different result based on the same bug.
Try to close and re-open the GUi and you should notice a difference.

Gribs · Post by **Gribs** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:19 pm

So is the upshot that there is a redraw bug but that Largo seems to be sounding okay in Cubase 7.5 64 bit?

I think that I will just chance it and install the release candidate. Believe it or not, I own a boxed version of Largo.

Waldorf Largo + PPG Wave 3.V + Waldorf Edition: 64-bit/VST3/AAX updates