Roland Cloud

[Rends]

The Zencore JX-8p does sound quit nice in this Video

Sometimes i like the Original better sometimes the Jupiter-X JX-8p
The sound is there even if they didn‘t got a couple of presets right.
Guess that could be fixed with some tweaking.

[Brian.McClelland]

Hey, friends! This week, we've premiered the Vocal Designer Model Expansion for the JUPITER-X/Xm.

With Vocal Designer, you can use your voice to control and modulate all manner of synthesizer sounds. This creates otherworldly textures that blend the expression and organic warmth of your voice (the modulator) with a synthesized tone or instrument sound (the carrier). Vocal Designer has 26 different vocal synthesis algorithms and lets you blend your voice with just about any kind of synthesizer tone you can imagine.



https://www.rolandcloud.com/news/new-vo ... -expansion

Thanks!

[XpanderDude]

Question for mac users regarding performance with these synths. I've got the M1 MacBook pro from last year (8 gb ram) and no matter what buffer I use in logic pro (256, even 512), I am still getting clicks and pops. i am watching the CPU meter. and am seeing 75-100 percent usage for each thread/core/depending on how many instances i have open. Is my issue not having enough RAM? i feel like the m1 should not have issues running multiple instances of cloud synths.

[WatchTheGuitar]

I’m not a Mac user, but you may get more help clarifying what “depending on how many instances” means, big difference between 3 and 30. I know on my Ryzen Windows PC CPU issues normally hit if I use more than 4 or 5 RC instruments at a time and that has 32 GB RAM so I don’t think it’s likely to be RAM related though I know M1 works differently I thought it wasn’t an issue if all runs native. Or is something non native and has to be translated via Rosetta?

Are you getting the issue with just one instrument open and nothing else, no DAW effects etc?

[EnochLight]

Question for mac users regarding performance with these synths. I've got the M1 MacBook pro from last year (8 gb ram) and no matter what buffer I use in logic pro (256, even 512), I am still getting clicks and pops. i am watching the CPU meter. and am seeing 75-100 percent usage for each thread/core/depending on how many instances i have open. Is my issue not having enough RAM? i feel like the m1 should not have issues running multiple instances of cloud synths.

Wow.. 8 GB of RAM?? I think my computer from 20 years ago had that. Isn’t the norm like 32 GB these days? Regardless, how many instances of synths are you using, and exactly which ones? The ACB stuff (such as the Legendary series) uses far more CPU than the Zenology stuff.

[XpanderDude]

I’m not a Mac user, but you may get more help clarifying what “depending on how many instances” means, big difference between 3 and 30. I know on my Ryzen Windows PC CPU issues normally hit if I use more than 4 or 5 RC instruments at a time and that has 32 GB RAM so I don’t think it’s likely to be RAM related though I know M1 works differently I thought it wasn’t an issue if all runs native. Or is something non native and has to be translated via Rosetta?

Are you getting the issue with just one instrument open and nothing else, no DAW effects etc?

I start to notice it choking up at 2 instances. In this case, i was using Juno 60 and D50 in a chords/bass line scenario. All are updated and running native in logic, which is also native.

[EnochLight]

The ACB stuff (such as the Legendary series) uses far more CPU than the Zenology stuff.

I start to notice it choking up at 2 instances. In this case, i was using Juno 60 and D50 in a chords/bass line scenario. All are updated and running native in logic, which is also native.

Both the D50 and the Juno 60 is DCB and ACB and are very CPU intense.

[D-Fusion]

The ACB stuff (such as the Legendary series) uses far more CPU than the Zenology stuff.

I start to notice it choking up at 2 instances. In this case, i was using Juno 60 and D50 in a chords/bass line scenario. All are updated and running native in logic, which is also native.

Both the D50 and the Juno 60 is DCB and ACB and are very CPU intense.

The Juno 60 is cpu intensive but the D50 is the most cpu friendly of all the Cloud plugins and barely moves the cpu meter (uses max 2% when playing chords).
Not sure if it is more cpu intensive on Mac since i use a PC

[EnochLight]

The Juno 60 is cpu intensive but the D50 is the most cpu friendly of all the Cloud plugins and barely moves the cpu meter (uses max 2% when playing chords).
Not sure if it is more cpu intensive on Mac since i use a PC

I'm running the Juno-60, the D50, and an SH-101 in Reason 12 (using Nektarine as a VST3 bridge) triggering 3 notes on each using the chords Player. Looks like my 10+ year old office PC cpu (Intel i7 2600k and 8 GB of RAM) is pushed to about 75-80% usage. In Studio One 4, doing the same thing (without Nektarine as a bridge) hits around 15-20% CPU.

I'm guessing the new M1 Macs should be able to easily run more instances, even with a meager 8 GB of RAM. Definitely something afoot on their machine.

[WatchTheGuitar]

Yeah, I just had Algonaut Atlas 2 (trialling it), D50 and two Juno 60 in Reaper and only one thread was floating occasionally above 50% CPU and most are showing barely 5%. Overall utilisation is reported as 7%.
That's on a 3 year old Ryzen 7 2700X on Win 10 Pro x64.

[PAK]

What I'd try - 1) Plug the laptop into your electrical power socket and make sure it's on a well ventilated surface. It's a "rule out these things" test. 2) Go to the options button on the Juno 60. You can set the voice count to 2, 4, 6 or 8 voices. Reduce it to 4 or 2. See how many more instances you can load up and whether they're still causing cracks/pops? 3) Now Try the same using only the D50 plugin (do not load the Juno 60 or anything else). Can you achieve many more instances with lots and lots of polyphony, using only the D50?

You can also use the "optimize for lower CPU usage" setting, and that should make a large difference - but it also changes the sound. Depending on the sound this might not matter much, or it might matter a lot. As part of "how they do things" Roland's "ACB" analogue emulations do not dynamically allocate CPU. In plain English it means that if, say, you load their Juno 60 plugin, it will behave like you are constantly playing all 6 notes. Play one note - it's eating CPU for 6 notes. Do nothing - it's eating CPU for 6 notes! Other companies VST/AU's tend not to behave like this. As a consequence it means you must use some caution when inserting Roland's ACB emulation plugins.

RE: M1. Much of the hype, around the M1, focuses on specifics - like video export times. The processor has features which boost that sort of thing. Unfortunately the impression created is those huge differences apply to everything. If you ignore the hype, and read the small print, Apple make their direct comparison (with the processor you're using) to an i7 1.7gHz quad core laptop processor. So you can expect your laptop to perform better than that, but that's not exactly high spec. Even so, it still seems like you're getting relatively low performance, and hopefully other M1 users might chime in..

[WatchTheGuitar]

tbf it is acting like an analogue circuit. If you have a real analog synth like a Juno or Jupiter the oscillators are always running even if you have no key down and no note is playing.

[PAK]

tbf it is acting like an analogue circuit. If you have a real analog synth like a Juno or Jupiter the oscillators are always running even if you have no key down and no note is playing.

Yep. But most other devs find ways to "fake it" so it's not constantly chomping on your CPU doing nothing

[XpanderDude]

Yeah, I am mostly wondering if 8GB is just not enough. in activity monitor, I see that I am going into memory swap all the time when doing music related stuff on the computer, which worries me.

And, I am not overloading the cores, I think. Here's a screen shot of the utilization.

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[Brian.McClelland]

Question for mac users regarding performance with these synths. I've got the M1 MacBook pro from last year (8 gb ram) and no matter what buffer I use in logic pro (256, even 512), I am still getting clicks and pops. i am watching the CPU meter. and am seeing 75-100 percent usage for each thread/core/depending on how many instances i have open. Is my issue not having enough RAM? i feel like the m1 should not have issues running multiple instances of cloud synths.

Hi, XpanderDude! Brian from Roland Cloud here. It depends. For many instruments, we offer the "Optimize for Lower CPU Usage" setting in the Options menu on the face of the instrument. The ACB part of the tech emulates the sound creation down to a component level, which lends to the accuracy of the sound, but does have a processing cost. ZENOLOGY Pro does have many sounds from the Legendary Series instruments in different forms and is much lighter on processors. Number of instances does play into this as well.

Recently, I updated a 2017 iMac with 8g RAM from a hybrid drive that was killing my audio production, to an SSD drive. This fixed a number of issues I had in the system, then I upgraded to 16g RAM, which further sped up the experience. The additional RAM is always helpful.