KVR Audio

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:58 pm

please we must put the test to the real level from the tests i have made xhip is the worst adaptation the filters are colourless
for those who didn't took the time to hear the adventus version i have recorded it and upload so you can make a real comparison (there is a little crakling to the streaming record)
adventus :
http://www.myfilehut.com/userfiles/1649 ... 20test.mp3
sytrus :

http://www.flstudio.com/gol/Virustest.mp3

xhip

http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/xhip_virus_arp.mp3

hard to judge which is better from sytrus to adventus but xhip clearly loose
that's all fact !!!

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:06 pm

crimson; where did i make such a proclaimation? dont be rediculous :P

bones; so how many voices were you using? 8x8 is 64, and if you changed the polyphony to 16, you were using 128. obviously with maxed out unison and polyphony you get 256 voices. try running that many voices in another synth and you'll get the same cpu hit. xhip isnt any faster than most other software with everything enabled at once.

it isnt stupid though, i thought it was stupid at first too before people like gsoto used it to produce stuff like this:

http://xhip.cjb.net/xhip/audio/gsoto_dark_mmms.mp3
http://xhip.cjb.net/xhip/audio/gsoto_synth_ahhs.mp3

i rarely use more than 3x unison to get slightly thicker pads, but it has other uses. since xhip does real unison, that is, it uses full voices (including every component, envelopes, modulators, filters, waveshapers, etc) you get quite a multiplier effect. currently i have the voices laid out in a suboptimal way, too, meaning the resulting increase in cpu use is nonlinear. the unison feature is still an alpha feature, so dont rag on it too much! you should read back and see the argument i had with _starcraft_ about even implementing it in the first place.

i had no idea at first when i heard gsoto's mp3s how he did those sounds. it turned out, he created a single patch which sounds roughly like a solo human voice, and then used unison. since the full voices are unisoned i xhip, and everything is discrete, the end result is you get a real unison of 16 of those human voices, or a chorus of voices. and it sounds damn impressive in my opinion. dont treat it as a proformance effect, use it for offline rendering to get amazing sounds like those ones.

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:08 pm

after a last audition
Sytrus first
adventus 2nd
that's all

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:01 pm

Access Virus ate my baby.

Algorythm · Post by **Algorythm** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:44 pm

Access is a good company with A class hardware and very good software in it (and unreasonable priced), but thats it.Nothing more. Don't retain the "myth". Try to compare a true analog with vstis..This is my opinion.

knot0fvipers · Post by **knot0fvipers** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:39 pm

smart wrote:
tony tony chopper wrote:Ok here's my take with Sytrus.

http://www.flstudio.com/gol/Virustest.mp3
awesome !

refer to my last post.
you have 95% of the cheesy trance/EBM virus arp there. What is being argued here is that last 5% that has to do with sound quality. That sounds totally nothing like a virus as far as that last 5% is concerned.

knot0fvipers · Post by **knot0fvipers** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:41 pm

BONES wrote: No more VNV Nation for you, young man

no more suicide commando for you old man

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:50 pm

regarding it was just an attempt of reproducing a synth sound , i consider the 2 vst above far superior from a virus ,
perhaps you can love the imperfection of the virus but it has software in it so it must be considered as errors ....
And the nature of the question of the whole thread is corupted by the idea that the good ol' harware had something special but it has nothing to do with sound qualities but only with subjective feelings
Just look at the way some people looks now the first vst synths with passion saying ah the old vst were simple but they sounds etc

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:53 pm

plus it is totaly a keyboard thingy to love those ancient synth
but i am a guitarist

nb and i don't have conscience problems with using amp vst
the time runs !!!
and fools stays where they are

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:30 pm

Ok, I've done some catching up on this thread and I have a few things to say. Firstly, you're all idiots [I thought I'd get that out of the way]. These wonderful VNV moments you're all so eager to emulate do not show th efilter's character in the slightest. What they show is a bunch of mind-numbing effects and how crisp the envelopes are. Th efilter is doing f**k-all other than that big, long LFO sweep. In order to see the character of a filter, you need some resonance. Without some decent resonance you may as well be comparing EQ's.
Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Let's hear a Virus sound better than the second half of THIS. No effects to cloud things, no EQ, no nothing, just pure squelchy goodness.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:31 am

could you redo that with the effects turned off? i can hardly hear it with the stupid stereo/phaser type effect on. having the delay or whatever it is built in as part of the 'synth' is no excuse.. you get the same end result.

as far as i can hear from it as it is, sounds like some plain shit to me. it actually sounds fairly bad, like the typical lame low quality software implementation of things.

upload the midi of that sequence and i'll give it a go.

if you dont mind the sequence being different, and having the sound in a mix (although a very thin one) i have this: http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/better_ ... work...mp3

filter self oscillation with light saturation, no effects, no modulation. very small noise input is used to make it sound like reverb.

http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/plong.mp3

solo bass with moderate res, moderate saturation:

http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/unclefreddy.mp3

knot0fvipers · Post by **knot0fvipers** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:37 am

BONES wrote: Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Let's hear a Virus sound better than the second half of THIS. No effects to cloud things, no EQ, no nothing, just pure squelchy goodness.

hahah.
"You are condemned
I’ve put a spell on you
The smell of death
Has got all over you
Like a disease
I’ll control your mind
Get on your knees
You won’t survive the night"

maybe someone with a virus wants to a vs b blind test those who think they can hear the difference and end this arguement

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:38 am

aciddose wrote:could you redo that with the effects turned off? i can hardly hear it with the stupid stereo/phaser type effect on. having the delay or whatever it is built in as part of the 'synth' is no excuse.. you get the same end result.

There are no effects at all. Zero, zip. Its just the way that "Dual" mode is implemented. So you can use unison to try and match it if you like. Or I could redo it without "dual" on.

as far as i can hear from it as it is, sounds like some plain shit to me. it actually sounds fairly bad, like the typical lame low quality software implementation of things.

Well I am yet to hear anythign that comes close. The resonance reaches much further down in to the frequency spectrum, giving a far more unified sound.

upload the midi of that sequence and i'll give it a go.

When I get home I'll do something proper, that was for a different purpose. I gotta go now.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:40 am

you also get a bit of character in the bass of this thing

http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/lame2.mp3

and none of these are using the cutoff/res mod stuff, or xmod, or any other features to create a much more unique sound.

do it without 'dual'.. unless there is a very large difference in timbre, i'd prefer to get a mostly mono sound if you want to compare the character of filters. the whole supersaw pad thing with effects and tons of reverb works well on kiddies (see: virus) but if you really want to try out some different gear, we should do some basic sounds to compare the full ranges available.

i've got an alpha juno 1 and an sh-09 sitting here. i'm in the middle of building a korg35 based filter, and i've already build a good vca of my own design, so i can throw those into the mix a little later if you want to compare fully analog stuff, too.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:55 am

that unclefreddy thing is actually a good one to compare, see if a virus can even do a sound remotely like that.

its just a plain pwm, with -12 sub osc, 4db above the pwm, with the filter on fairly high res, fairly high saturation, nothing else going on.

bones, i know where you're going with the "you're all idiots!" post, and i totally agree. i doubt you or i or anyone else will ever successfully convince anyone that a virus really stinks as a synthesizer for a lot of stuff. its a fairly easy to use patch replay machine that makes just about all the sounds a kiddie could ever dream of. for the more skilled users, it can do some fairly good sounds and work well as a general purpose synthesizer too.

considering exactly what it does, and what you have to do to use it, i'd actually refuse to take one off somebody's hands for free. i might consider it if i got paid to take it away, but if i take the pricetag into consideration, no way, you've got to be f**king with me, you know?

its totally ludicrous these days.. but, like i said, its a great preset machnie, has all the kiddie sounds, and i dont think there is really any other synth out there that can match up to it in that arena. one major turn off for me to something like a virus is that it has built in effects and routing capability, and secondly that it is capable of multitimbrality. is it trying to be a workstation? is it a synth?.. it seems like a bit of a toy to me.

the mc505 was a big thing back a few years ago, and the virus is sort of just like it, only in a slightly different format.

it is honestly very pathetic to see people refer to the "almighty virus" based upon the very simple saw pads it can do, but, there are kiddies for you, right?

VSTis as good as hardware? Similar to Access Virus Quality?