Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[Flandersh]

The technology back record may be really advanced and innovative, we dont know much before tomorrow. To slaughter a product before information are given and researched can be a bad step. Many new technologies for audiowork have been in reasearch the last years, without many userfriendly applications for it. Record may be an application that takes this into account, we dont know yet.

I dont think Record will be yet another daw for competiting against logic, studioone, samplitude, tracktion, cubase, sonar, reaper etc. It will, as Reason was, be an application with special behaviours. If record can intergrate Reason as someone have said, Its fully possible to make all kind of effects from patching.

Ive got many daws, VSTs and some hardware...Reason have showed me that the quality and style of my TC effects can be fully emulated in Reason and the sequencer for me work much better than any of my other daws. I dont need VST synths cause Reason can do the same, if one have the knowledge how to make it. With Record (that may contain advanced analysis methods and high innovative tech in the back-end) it may be a innovative and very powerful suite, if one knows how to get the most out of it.

So for all those who want to hunting down record before information about it is released, take an old modem from the 90's and tweak it to a FM synth or build your own reverbdevice out of a exhaust pipeline and try to edit it so it sounds as good as a VST reverb. Creativity, knowledge and exploring is essential tools for making fine art. Im completely sure that Record has many things waiting to be explored for everyone.

[musikmachine]

Yep, just went down... I watched the first part, seemed pretty interesting.

Oh well. I'm quite happy to wait until tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see what it does. I suppose a dedicated daw will maintain the stability they are renowned for. I like the instruments but never could get along with the sequencer and rewire was a pita. So will people now have an easy way to record live instruments via peter tools?

[DRS]

I just saw a demo video for Logic 9 but they just pulled it.
It looked very interesting.

Ermm, i wasn't lying. The video is going up and down.

Again:

http://www.musotalk.de/software/video/a ... rd-review/

http://www.propellerheads.se/forum/show ... p?t=111070

[dham]

Ok so Reason is basically $240.(Academic what I paid). Then Record is like $150 so i may pay like %100 hopefully student discount). So almost $350. So why would I pay that in total when I can get ableton box for that. Which comes with a crap ton of effects, instruments, awesome audio recording and editing, and you can add on with vst's. And thats not just ableton. Pretty much every big daw now, cubase, sonar, logic, live comes with instruments, and lots of effects. Not to mention vocal pitch correction, etc. Plus you can buy all the instruments you want. What makes this good at all? Maybe if it was $25 or $50. But not $150. So is this gonna be every year you upgrade your record then you also have to upgrade your reason. Pretty ridiculous. But yea we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

[blank/diod]

Ok so Reason is basically $240.(Academic what I paid). Then Record is like $150 so i may pay like %100 hopefully student discount). So almost $350. So why would I pay that in total when I can get ableton box for that. Which comes with a crap ton of effects, instruments, awesome audio recording and editing, and you can add on with vst's. And thats not just ableton. Pretty much every big daw now, cubase, sonar, logic, live comes with instruments, and lots of effects. Not to mention vocal pitch correction, etc. Plus you can buy all the instruments you want. What makes this good at all? Maybe if it was $25 or $50. But not $150. So is this gonna be every year you upgrade your record then you also have to upgrade your reason. Pretty ridiculous. But yea we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

I don't see how this apples/oranges comparison is ever going to make sense, as they're different, non-interchangeable products with different approaches. Similar discussions are a staple of Mac vs PC threads... "but why should I pay $2795 for a MacBook Pro 17" when I can get a HP or Dell with the same specs for $1995 blah blah blah", or "why should I get an iPhone for $XXXX when I can get a Nokia with features X, Y and Z for $XXXX?" You either want a Mac or you don't. It comes down to whether the product is right for you, your workflow, your needs. If you buy products on price and features alone then go ahead and do that, but some people go by other values. You can spend 2 days trying to convince a Mac user why a Vista PC is "better" because it has this and that feature that OS X doesn't have, but you might as well tell it to his hand.

[NAS]

Kind of really interesting that they hyped this so much
The guy on the video was totally clueless of how to show off a product so it isn't possible to see much at all of the features
The mixer is a huge old mess in terms of GUI design unless you happen to have a 300" monitor of some kind

Will be interesting to see if this gets the reaction they are so obviously hoping for tommorrow with all their BS Hype
They could very well have built themselves up for a big fall (I hope not cause i have respect for these guys not only for Recycle but for the Rewire standard too, I always hated Reason just didn't float my boat even though it is rock solid)

NAS

[Amberience]

Well... one thing I don't like the sound of is everything being saved into one big file; what if I want to record into "Record" for the creative aspects of it, but then move everything over to Logic for mixing??

I'm a guitarist; so I guess I'm the target market for this. Take this with a pinch of salt, because we haven't seen anything concrete yet, just a video. But I honestly don't see anything in the video that would make me even bother to download a demo.

If I want decent compressors, I've got 'The Glue' and Rocket from Stillwell Audio. I've also got BusComp and ChanComp inside of BFD2 for my drums. If I want decent EQ's, again, Stillwell. I've got a massive guitar pedalboard anyway, so the Line 6 inclusions don't interest me. Plus I own all the Amplitube stuff, as well as RevalverMKIII. On top of this, I have Logic 8, Ableton Live 8, and Reaper.

Chances are, I've got everything that record has to offer, already.

The one thing that could save it is its performance; I'm having some issues running big projects inside of Reaper lately, so I'm even thinking of dropping it and moving all my projects over to Logic or Ableton Live.

If Record can handle 40 tracks of audio without a hiccup, then it will certainly be worth looking into. But at the moment, I'm kind of in shrug my shoulders mode.

[jonnyG]

Well... one thing I don't like the sound of is everything being saved into one big file; what if I want to record into "Record" for the creative aspects of it, but then move everything over to Logic for mixing??

Yeah, I noticed that. Pure speculation, but I imagine there'll be the option to export by track.

Interesting app in these times of market saturation. It's not cheap, but the ability to drop Reason components into it must appeal to Reason owners. Enough speculation - time will tell!

[bmanic]

After seeing both videos I'm less than impressed. It looks very archaic and convoluted IMHO. Why anybody would buy this instead of Reaper, Logic, FL Studio, Orion or whatever is completely beyond my comprehension.

Reason, when it first came out, was quite unique and a novel twist on the old "workstation" synth environment concept but things have moved forward so much in the past few years. Oh well.. I wish them of course the best of luck.

Cheers!
bManic

[blank/diod]

The mixer is a huge old mess in terms of GUI design unless you happen to have a 300" monitor of some kind

A 30" monitor (1600 px high) shows the whole thing, and you can expand/collapse sections. If you think that's an ergonomic challenge, consider the arm length required to operate this thing from your chair, especially if your name is Prince. I bet his console has a few heel dents in it from all the walking.

[bmanic]

The mixer is a huge old mess in terms of GUI design unless you happen to have a 300" monitor of some kind

A 30" monitor (1600 px high) shows the whole thing, and you can expand/collapse sections. If you think that's an ergonomic challenge, consider the arm length required to operate this thing from your chair, especially if your name is Prince. I bet his console has a few heel dents in it from all the walking.

But see, that was NAS's whole point. Why on earth do you have to make a virtual console like that when there are much neater and tidier ways of putting the same information on screen using much less screen real estate and making it more intuitive/usable? Do you REALLY think they would have made mixing consoles look like they did in the 80's if they could build them like it's possible in the virtual domain?

Cheers!
bManic

[DRS]

After seeing both videos I'm less than impressed. It looks very archaic and convoluted IMHO. Why anybody would buy this instead of Reaper, Logic, FL Studio, Orion or whatever is completely beyond my comprehension.

I would! And i own Live Suite 8 and Reason 4.

Seriously, let's wait for the news tomorrow. The only thing we know for sure is that NOBODY is gonna put a gun in your head to buy the software (thou, even if someones does, there will be many ppl here on KVR and Props forum that would rather pull the trigger than use Record or Reason anyway, judging by all the criticism so far over a software that's not even released yet).

[kL]

I'm with you, bManic. I've always thought it makes as much sense to emulate physical gear in music as it would to in anything else: a rotary dial on a mobile phone, perhaps? Steering wheel in a fighter jet?
(Of course, I've always loved Reason despite that -- because it was nearly bulletproof music software back when most was as dodgy and sketchy as a boomtime mortgage broker, not for it's pretty interface.)

[NAS]

A 30" monitor (1600 px high) shows the whole thing, and you can expand/collapse sections. If you think that's an ergonomic challenge, consider the arm length required to operate this thing from your chair, especially if your name is Prince. I bet his console has a few heel dents in it from all the walking.

1600 px high shows the whole thing
OK so you just proved exactly what i was saying
That IS in fact a very badly designed GUI and was the entire reason that the guy using the laptop in the bideo was scrolling left right up down and all over the place while saying "Helps you to record with less mouse clicks"

You can keep praising it all you like when somebody points something glaringly obvious out and even though i didn't go all out attacking the app (I haven't tried it yet) that mixer is a mess, Simple as that
Also it doesn't really do any favours when something is "Modelled on SSL, But hey we have no affiliation with them whatsoever"

Simply put and this was my original point, The videos that have been posted and the hype they have tried to create with a bunch of employees of PH saying "Wow" "Awesome" is total silliness and i really hope they haven't set themselves up as a joke
It certainly at this point looks much like that so there hype hasn't worked has it

They should have STFU until the where going to release the info properly

NAS

[fgimian]

I just watched the vids, and the main concern is that the mixer looks really clunky, all the inserts for channels are "below" the mixer, so you have to scroll vertically through the tracks to find the one you wish to insert plugins on. I actually expected that it would be implemented like this, but not sure if it's very efficient.

Either way, I'll be hanging out for the full announcement, I certainly hope that the vids were indeed a very simple teaser, because it's hard to see any appeal in them.

I bet they are planning on using Line6 devices (e.g. GuitarPort) as the dongle (in the same fashion Line6 protected their GearBox plugin)