Steinberg's Countdown, Nuendo 6 AND Cubase 7!!!

[standalone]

I'm using XP and I plan to buy a new computer in a year or so. I don't really feel like changing the OS right now, I don't think it would be worth it.

[krandr]

I'm using XP too (64 bit version).
XP provides best ASIO performance stability for me - thats why a don't want OS switching.
(I have checked Win7 & Win8 on different PC's and ASIO interfaces - bad results)

[ZINO]

I'm using XP too (64 bit version).
XP provides best ASIO performance stability for me - thats why a don't want OS switching.
(I have checked Win7 & Win8 on different PC's and ASIO interfaces - bad results)

XP 64 is not "XP" technically. It shares the same Kernel with Windows Server 2003 x64.

[Compyfox]

So, Steinberg recently released two new videos (on 23rd Nov), or better said upgrades videos regarding their mix console, and what's bundled.

In the first video, we see a bit more how the channel strip interacts with the routing of the inserts, but still not known in whether or not the "pre filter" is really "pre", and if the EQ can be placed (as used to) independent of the CS but still pre-pan/vol.

Then again, this videos showed another nice trick or two which can be pulled off with the new console now. Nothing drastically new, but at least more understandable than what could be found on the borgz page.


(IT'S IN THE MIX - updated)



Then there is Sonic State, with a very, very shakey and blurry camera. But it shows some things that Steinberg didn't show. Like: "route selected channels to FX channel" as dropdown menue, the loudness analysis tools (Nordic Meters, EBU Meters, British Meters, K-System v1 meters), the routing on a per-channel basis, etc.

This one can be found here:

(Cubase 7 Mixer Window - Music Production Show - London)



So yeah, small info-bits. But at least some more info.
Definitely fired up, hope that I can configure the EBU meter to my needs (my own specs). Would have loved if the meter would show both true peak and loudness - but well - maybe in an update to 7.1 (tons of FR's were already filed at the boards).

If I have some funds left over (currently - none), I will get C7. For me as audio engineer a more streamlines mixing console is essential. There is hope that this code can be drastically enhanced. Won't be Reaper (nearly unlimited insers, no routing limitation), won't be a modular environment, but heck it's finally a step forward for CubEndo.


I just need to get adjusted to the control room. Haven't used it since it's existing. And can't utilize it currently anyway (only a stereo AD/DA available for the time being).

[Compyfox]

I need to bump this again.

After all the rage with the new mixing console in Cubase, I was working with C6.0 again today (recently only Logic and Wavelab) only to realise:

"damn, this mixing console is(!) darn ugly and unintuitive". I don't say that it's unusable. Heck I'm sticking with Cubase since mid 90ies and I still get things done. But it kind of lost it's charme.

I like the resizing, I like the new look of the console's fader (the metering is larger, the buttons are on top/bottom rather than cramped - easier on the eyes - especially on larger screens), I like the simplicity in terms of setup (color codes).

I already messed with the color settings, but this... is indeed more streamlined, easier on the eye. Especially with an OS like Win7.


I'll definitely look forward to test C7.

[SJ_Digriz]

One of the techs just posted a picture in my thread about Mediabay. ON TOP BABY!!!!

geez, if the editors can be set on top too, I'm more excited about that than the stupid mixer.

[Compyfox]

Didn't they say that this won't happen until C8?

Oh and... closer look to the screenshot: Either that's Vista or 7 with the very classic view, or that's XP. Then again, XP is not supported anymore, and it won't install there. So it must be classic view of Win7.

[SJ_Digriz]

Didn't they say that this won't happen until C8?

Oh and... closer look to the screenshot: Either that's Vista or 7 with the very classic view, or that's XP. Then again, XP is not supported anymore, and it won't install there. So it must be classic view of Win7.

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. If he wasn't a support person I would think he was just f'n with me. Even if he is just messin, I'll think it was funny. I'm sure others won't. But, it is hard to figure out why he is in no-aero mode if it is indeed real.

[LawrenceF]

Cubase needs to optionally dock the Media Bay, plain and simple. All that stuff, MediaBay, Groove Agent 1, etc, works so much better in Sequel.

Not sure what exactly drives the stiff user resistance to optionally docking things in Cubase, it seems really irrational, but the - actual real world workflow - for using MediaBay and GA1 in Sequel really puts Cubase to shame... as a purely practical matter.

All you really have to do is try the Sequel demo (and not warp that very limited context into something else with various strawman arguments) to see and "feel" that. Same tools, much better actual production workflow.



In Cubase, the exact same thing as above is 3 separate floating windows to manage. MediaBay, GA1, and Beat Designer.

This is in addition to the arrange window and it's outer container window, 2 more windows to manage and play the "on top" game with. In Sequel it's all attached to the main window in a smooth and very space efficient way and it all works exceptionally well.

The resistance to that option in Cubase is really baffling to me.

[lotus2035]

...it is hard to figure out why he is in no-aero mode if it is indeed real.

I turn all that useless eye-candy off on principle, I'm sure others do too, even Steinberg employees..

[SJ_Digriz]

...it is hard to figure out why he is in no-aero mode if it is indeed real.

I turn all that useless eye-candy off on principle, I'm sure others do too, even Steinberg employees..

I'm not sure what that principle is. The Aero overhead is like .000000001 to the CPU if you have even a moderately powered video card. I've never really understood why people turn it off. To each their own.

[Compyfox]

Classic Mode also "removes" the workflow of Win7/Vista - so if you get a more current OS, or don't do regular maintenance stuff, you'll run into trouble finding things.

Then again, my 2c. I lowered the borders myself, but sticked to AERO - however customizing turned off the glass mode.

The resistance to that option in Cubase is really baffling to me.

I'm actually against a 1-window and all-dock solution like with PT and Logic. That's such a cluserfunk it's not even funny.

Then there's Windows that still has issues with "window" modes compared to Mac. So this is something that the developers can't evade. Well, they could in theory - if they would - but it's Steinberg.

[standalone]

The resistance to that option in Cubase is really baffling to me.

They resist to accept that Cubase is behind everybody else in some aspects. When Steinberg implement this they will be all happy and proud of their daw's power.

I really think that Steinberg is slowly and discreetly moving to a modular screen scheme: First Mediabay in Cubase 6 and now the mixer in Cubase 7 are totally different windows from the rest. I believe that Cubase 8 will bring it to the editors and the main page.

[SJ_Digriz]

The resistance to that option in Cubase is really baffling to me.

They resist to accept that Cubase is behind everybody else in some aspects. When Steinberg implement this they will be all happy and proud of their daw's power.

I really think that Steinberg is slowly and discreetly moving to a modular screen scheme: First Mediabay in Cubase 6 and now the mixer in Cubase 7 are totally different windows from the rest. I believe that Cubase 8 will bring it to the editors and the main page.

You missed my post where it looks like Medibay has been freed.

I don't care for/against docking as long as I can put each dockable item in its own location and turn off docking.

[standalone]

The resistance to that option in Cubase is really baffling to me.

They resist to accept that Cubase is behind everybody else in some aspects. When Steinberg implement this they will be all happy and proud of their daw's power.

I really think that Steinberg is slowly and discreetly moving to a modular screen scheme: First Mediabay in Cubase 6 and now the mixer in Cubase 7 are totally different windows from the rest. I believe that Cubase 8 will bring it to the editors and the main page.

You missed my post where it looks like Medibay has been freed.

I don't care for/against docking as long as I can put each dockable item in its own location and turn off docking.

Yes, I haven't seen that pic yet. I avoided the term 'dockable' and used 'modular' instead. It seems to me that this is closer to what Steinberg has in mind for Cubase.