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Finally knuckled down to a demo last night for a little while.

As I dived in First impressions looked nice but was not sure if this was going to be a contender just yet.

After going through several presets and having a tinker it started to grow on me. Something that I feel is important is how quickly can I get some great sound for instant gratification and start down the avenue of producing something that sounds worthwhile. I need to point out I am not a seasoned sound/patch programmer, more of grab a preset and tweak.

I say this as I often find a lot synth plugins, for me personally, load up and just get stuck in finding inspiration, very usable. This is not one of them and whilst there are many synths I want to like and believe from reading on forums I should use and like, I do not (wont mention them here as I will get flamed and i don't want to set my smoke alarm off! lol).

Not too sure what people are saying in regards to filters as i am finding them very nice. As mentioned the sound is sharp, not in pitch, but in tonal quality and dare I say richness.

Big negative and this is why i am not using Lush but waiting for a more lean version, is CPU usage. I found on playing two chords and hitting them simultaneously (ie 6 notes at once), I was rewarded with a high pitch squeel and an ASIO spike that could make a lesser mortals ears bleed. This is not the synth but my soundcard, cpu and asio spiking :( Saying that with less notes it's not an issue, maybe devs can look at making it less of an overhead at some point. Till then I am not investing unfortunately, have too many others on the shelf awaiting less CPU burn.

For example using LD Inspiration, performing a simple 3 note chord and extending the release just buckled my system and bombed the ASIO out. Generally around 50-70% ASIO load, without anything else loaded. Using the same midi part on different presets it washitting a minimum of 25-50%. To be honest unless bouncing down or using freeze, this is pretty unusuable for me personally as is. I am interested in how some of the demoes were captured/produced...I believe a lot of bouncing parts. Note average load in Cubase without playing, so idle, 50%. :(

In comparison to DIVA (had to mention it) tried the same part with Arksuns OldSkoolTrance preset and in fairness hitting the same issues...turning on multi thread, using great and Diva being VST3 did overcome this and sawq the overhead and ASIO usage drop to around 20-25. This I believe demonstrates a good comparisson in development needs and coding. But I am no expert in any form, just little ol me!

If I added other plugins, introduced some compression, reverb, saturation and channel strips I would not be using Spiral unfortunately.

I really do hope to see this as a contender over the coming months, at the moment its still in the Lush cabinet :) I like the sound, some of the presets and hope to see improvements.

great plugin guys, work on the coding please.

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ADDUM : I forgot to mention, I've read some posts not all in this thread. I own a |Virus and this is actually similar but not a reason in any shape or form to rid the Virus...no way.

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MFXxx wrote:For example using LD Inspiration, performing a simple 3 note chord and extending the release
You have to change the voices from 16 to 8 because there is no difference when you extending the release. BTW any no limited polyphony synthesizer will crash your ASIO with long release settings. Try Largo haha

Or you know what. Play the same 3 notes chords and try to tune up this release setting with this Diva patch:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/109 ... w_test.h2p

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What will your ASIO? :-)

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serhiy06 wrote:
MFXxx wrote:For example using LD Inspiration, performing a simple 3 note chord and extending the release
You have to change the voices from 16 to 8 because there is no difference when you extending the release. BTW any no limited polyphony synthesizer will crash your ASIO with long release settings. Try Largo haha

Or you know what. Play the same 3 notes chords and try to tune up this release setting with this Diva patch:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/109 ... w_test.h2p

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What will your ASIO? :-)
Hey serhiy

I had a another play last night, as I mentioned in the post this was first my impressions.

Yes I have discovered the polyphony and voice count, this helped but still high. You are also correct the release did have an impact as i discovered flicking through other patches with the same midi part.

Remember I am not much of a programmer :) and I did load up DIVA, Massive and another I cant recall to compare.

Copying the same part across the different tracks there was a difference and when messing with DIVA the quality settings (Divine to draft) prompted me to go back to spire and have a dig around the settings.

I am not trying to disrespect spire as I do like it and a lot of the presets.

As far as crashing ASIO,it didn't crash, it actually just maxed out when quantising a part and two of the notes moved to an overlap of the previous 3 notes in the chord.

It is a little disconcerting that some of these synths being released are really quite unusable in respeect of the quality you want vs the processing power that is generally available in most common PCs.

I respect that the lower poly count and oversampling rates etc does help work around this and of course can increase when at a stage to bounce down or freeze the track.

Just frustrating my virtual cabinet is starting to become more of a storage drive than a work in action plugin folder.

I mentioned in another thread a while back and don't want to go too far OT here.

Are we getting to a stage where there is a niche in the market for hardware synth shells, which have pcs and soundcards integrated in the design, to use exclusively for one (or two) synth(s) at a time...

...I hope so :)

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Sounds pretty damn awesome! 8)

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MFXxx wrote: I mentioned in another thread a while back and don't want to go too far OT here.
it's okay, please do not take offence. I just wanted to say, there is not so hard to overload any CPU with 3 mouse clicks (if you really want) by 3 useless patches hehe
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serhiy06 wrote: you extending the release. BTW any no limited polyphony synthesizer will crash your ASIO with long release settings. Try Largo haha
In Largo you could set voices between 1 and 256. This is done on the "Common" tab at "Voices".

I have done Largo patches using Unison and 4 layers that did not kill my CPU (which is more than 5 years old).


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I must chime in here.
I have used the Spire demo inside Studio One, and i have no cpu problems.
It use more than some other synth's but it is not far from Alchemy to name one.
But if i want a nice saw strings patch i would probably use another synth than Spire.
But it has not maxed out my cpu at all no matter what patch i have used.
My cpu is an intel i5 quad core
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olepro wrote:I must chime in here.
I have used the Spire demo inside Studio One, and i have no cpu problems.
It use more than some other synth's but it is not far from Alchemy to name one.
But if i want a nice saw strings patch i would probably use another synth than Spire.
But it has not maxed out my cpu at all no matter what patch i have used.
My cpu is an intel i5 quad core
Funny you should say that... I'm using S1 (v2.5), and I'm not finding it that bad either.

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VST version fails to load in Renoise 2.8.1 on Mac OS.
AU loads fine..

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Just had a play with this at the studio. Jmh was present too.

Damn, what can I say? There goes another chunk of change! I really dig the way the synthesizer is laid out and the envelopes sound awesome! The only criticism here is that I'd like finer control at the very fast range of the envelope sliders. Moving the graphics a single pixel makes for quite a difference! So, finer control over the really critical fast range would be appreciated.

I like the modern digital VA sound of this plugin and I absolutely love the shaper/distortion section. It's all very well thought out!

Yeah, so the synth is a real CPU killer but it's not excessive. I played a 10 note pad and got about 18% CPU usage on an i7 920. That's acceptable considering the sound quality at play.. though I am certain it could be optimized a bit.

Some of the presets seem to be real gems! Didn't have much time to play with them yet but so far I'm liking it a lot.

Any idea how long the introductory price will remain? I hope to secure some funds tomorrow and make a purchase.

Cheers!
bManic
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Tested, liked, bought! Preset browser in style of Predator or Zebra would be nice. Couple more distortion fx, just because I am greedy, not that it would need them :) Looking forward to next updates! I am with FL10 and old dual core and I think cpu was ok...

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.. and bought! :lol:

Cheers!
bManic
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A serious issue for me is that you cannot automate anything in Live 9.
Otherwise, nice synth!

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