XILS Roland Vocoder VP-330 Plus - NEW SYNTH

[Ingonator]

As Xavier posted some more complex setups of V+ in Live 8 here is a more simple Ableton Live 9 setup of using another synth (PPG Wave 3.V) as an input for the V+ vocoder:



This setup was used for one of me audio demos.

There are 3 GUI sizes (1400, 1200 and 1000 points width) that could be selected from the options menu. The GUI in the screenshot is the biggest one used at a 23" screen with 1920 x 1080 ("Full HD") resolution.


Ingo

[el-folie]

I listened to the new videos too see if I'd be able to hear the differences, too. Well, I must say, it is more apparent on the Glide Video example. Maybe it's just because of little differences in knob positions. If not there vould be all kinds of reasons why this happens, from attack phase distortion in the numerous OP amps of the hardware to random phase distortions or frequenvy build-up accumulating in the chorus ensemble to whatnot else. I'm sure Xavier will know these things better than any of us and if he feels the need will investigate the reasons.

Apart from that I'm really glad that I used the pre order to get this very fine instrument. It must have been a tremendous amount of work to make this unique and uber rare instrument happen and I'm really thankful for it. Maybe this is one of the closest emulations ever that we have seen in the plugin world so far. Software is at 99% of hardware now if it's done right as Xavier proves. The quality is just outstanding and the pricing like a gift if you look at the hardware. Only about 1000 MKI were ever made, pricing up to 3500€ for mint ones. The MKII sounds nice also but different again, cleaner and different bucket brigade devices in the chorus. Apparently the great Vangelis used both machines. The MKI on Blade Runner, the MKII on Antarctica.

Again I can only say I would be crazy for a CS-80 emulation of this quality done by Xavier and his team... Okay enough of the praise - but it's well deserved

[Lotuzia]

^ Great sound. But I do detect a difference.

All software string machines seem to have the same thing happening, ie when you play chords it doesn't sound as lush/modulated as the hardware. It is apparent on the bright patches, less on the filtered ones.

There is a musically pleasing movement happening on the hardware, while the software sounds more static.
Single notes however, sound indistinguishable.

I guess i have an idea what you talk about. With single notes there does not seem to be a real difference indeed. Anyway i also like the polyphonic sounds of V+ very much.

I have tested the GStorm VSP-330 plugin and also got the Hollow Sun VP-330 Kontakt instrument.
I prefer V+ over the Kontakt instrument. The Strings in the Kontakt instrument do sound much too "clean" (or less "modulated" as you called it) compared to V+ and the real thing.
The Strings of the GStorm plugin are nice but the Choir sounds are IMO totally different to V+, the Kontakt instrument and the real thing.

V+ is the only one that also involves the vocoder and it also adds additional controls. I am usually a fan of 1:1 emulation like e.g. TAL U-NO-LX but the additional controls/features in V+ (for all 3 parts) seem to make really sense.
This includes some tone shaping controls for the Strings and Human voice sounds and additional controls for the vocoder.


Ingo

You can program a lot of additional modulations and this couldn't be done on the hardware. You can use an envelope and the multi waveform LFO to make all kinds of modulated patches layering the Human Voice, the Choir, and the Vocoder. This gives a rather large palette. In the preset audio demos on Xils V+ site, I included some of these "unusual" presets. You can make rises on one layer, and tremoloes on the others, mix that with the Vocoder Water mode etc etc. Its fun. Turn the vocoder part into a pad with the relevant envelope settings, or use the Freeze mode.

LtZ

[Lotuzia]

I listened to the new videos too see if I'd be able to hear the differences, too. Well, I must say, it is more apparent on the Glide Video example. Maybe it's just because of little differences in knob positions. If not there vould be all kinds of reasons why this happens, from attack phase distortion in the numerous OP amps of the hardware to random phase distortions or frequenvy build-up accumulating in the chorus ensemble to whatnot else. I'm sure Xavier will know these things better than any of us and if he feels the need will investigate the reasons.

Apart from that I'm really glad that I used the pre order to get this very fine instrument. It must have been a tremendous amount of work to make this unique and uber rare instrument happen and I'm really thankful for it. Maybe this is one of the closest emulations ever that we have seen in the plugin world so far. Software is at 99% of hardware now if it's done right as Xavier proves. The quality is just outstanding and the pricing like a gift if you look at the hardware. Only about 1000 MKI were ever made, pricing up to 3500€ for mint ones. The MKII sounds nice also but different again, cleaner and different bucket brigade devices in the chorus. Apparently the great Vangelis used both machines. The MKI on Blade Runner, the MKII on Antarctica.

Again I can only say I would be crazy for a CS-80 emulation of this quality done by Xavier and his team... Okay enough of the praise - but it's well deserved

My MkII is probably worth less than a MKI, still I'm happy to ahev one. never could test both units in parralel, but the schematics are quite similar, except a few points.

[audientronic]

Just pre-ordered. Two more days...

[el-folie]

My MkII is probably worth less than a MKI, still I'm happy to ahev one. never could test both units in parralel, but the schematics are quite similar, except a few points.

I think MKI and II are of the same quality sound-wise. Just have a listen to Antarctica, it's just breath-takingly beautiful. As for the price I think mint ones will always catch those high prices and in case of the VP330s I think it's understandable as the units are really really rare and have a very special feature set and delicate sound. Also the chorus ensemble is one of a kind that you couldn't find anywhere else up to now. What I always find funny about the VP is that there's only a mono headphone out for an instrument that sounds totally mesmerizing in stereo but not so much in mono. Funny... But what's the year again? 1978/79? Maybe stereo wasn't the thing to go for then

[Ingonator]

Long time ago (around 3 years) based on my factory sounds for the free Tactile Sounds Substance i created an audio demo inspired by "Crockett's Theme".
Now i have re-rendered this using both Xils Lab V+ and Xils Lab Oxium which also includes the drums:

Crockett's Theme - V+ vs Oxium Remix

This song and the sounds are not intended to be an exact copy of the original.

The song uses 4 instances of V+ (Strings + Choir sounds) and 6 instances of Oxium. 3 instances of Oxium (Mallet sound, Lead, Bass) are my own sounds and the remaining 3 are drum sounds based on factory sounds (one of them slightly modified). No external FXs were used for this, also no compressor.


Ingo

[paulbreeze]

Nice ...

[Lotuzia]

Long time ago (around 3 years) based on my factory sounds for the free Tactile Sounds Substance i created an audio demo inspired by "Crockett's Theme".
Now i have re-rendered this using both Xils Lab V+ and Xils Lab Oxium which also includes the drums:

Crockett's Theme - V+ vs Oxium Remix

This song and the sounds are not intended to be an exact copy of the original.

The song uses 4 instances of V+ (Strings + Choir sounds) and 6 instances of Oxium. 3 instances of Oxium (Mallet sound, Lead, Bass) are my own sounds and the remaining 3 are drum sounds based on factory sounds (one of them slightly modified). No external FXs were used for this, also no compressor.


Ingo

Delicious Retro feel with a definitive charm of its own Ingo

[contrary]

Dear XILS massivley underpaid public relations and Marketing chap........


As was discussed ad-nauseum in the beginning of this thread , you have attempted to underhandedly lure me into taking an interest in this ....




Using all the usual despicable marketing tricks

(not to mention jedi mind tricks too !!..)

SHAME ON YOU



Even stooping so low as to offer me a " pre order" option ;

.. really ...


tsk , tsk


You even posted all those luscious sound samples in order to tempt potential customers such as myself ......











Well sir , you will find that this gentleman , dispite his KVR affliction is no easy mark!



And so , In regards to your offering of another fine, high quality XILS synth , I'm afraid that my response will have to be ...................




































I'm IN

[ChiTown24]

^^^

the only thing nauseating is guys like you who shit-stir & mock not only during, but long after the by-topic has run its natural course. I hope you had as much fun making that post as I'm sure you hope others 'in' on the joke will have reading it.
I just think being so intentionally baiting is incredibly lame.

[contrary]

less ego , more sense of humor !!!

[ChiTown24]

less ego , more semse of humor !!!

less ego ? didn't you just type up some long, colourful, smiley packed post with heavy font editing just to exhume a dead horse for further flogging ? The irony of course being that the topic was discussed 'ad nauseam' in your opinion. Not nauseating enough for you, obviously. Maybe you should consider less trolling-under-the-influence & attempting to mask it as humour. And more... push ups.

[contrary]

less ego , more semse of humor !!!

less ego ? didn't you just type up some long, colourful, smiley packed post with heavy font editing just to exhume a dead horse for further flogging ? The irony of course being that the topic was discussed 'ad nauseam' in your opinion. Not nauseating enough for you, obviously. Maybe you should consider less trolling-under-the-influence & attempting to mask it as humour. And more... push ups.

Actually , I have the failing in that I am capable of a thing you aren't at all familiar with : empathy. I feel for customer service folks who have to put up with creatures such as yourself ....




The entire gist of my post was an effort to make someone else other than yourself laugh. I know that it is inconceivable to you that you actually never really entered my mind, at all.....

What is telling and at the same time truly pathetic, is how quickly you show up , taking offence and assuming that it's all about you ....









In any event , it's been real , and it's been fun but not real fun . I won't feed the fire like I know you would relish me to do ! I will take the reccomendation about the push ups under advisement ; I think I'll just stick with the bowFlex out in my garage . It was expensive and I use it allot . The push ups would have been cheaper though .....


You win, enjoy the bounty

[Bathrobe]

less ego , more sense of humor !!!

heheh

it is possible to have a sense of humor without ego.

so. about 16 hours left for the release. exiting times.

that's a very smooth demo, ingo.

hopefully i can use v+ for a new project i'm working on since some weeks.