KVR Audio

krucial · Post by **krucial** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:26 pm

You could never used Reason FX in other DAW with Rewire.

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:18 pm

could someone explain why no mp3 support in Reason 11...

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:22 pm

neverenoughfunk wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:18 pm could someone explain why no mp3 support in Reason 11...

Because it's a dead format that offers shitty sound quality?

I'd prefer FLAC export instead, to be honest.

chimp_spanner · Post by **chimp_spanner** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:34 pm

I don't know if MP3 is a "dead" format. In my work (production and library music) roughly half the clients I deal with during the day send and request MP3s. So it's still very widely used.

That said, there are so many options now for creating MP3s. Like FlicFlac on Windows is fantastic. Drag the WAV onto the program and it dumps a copy in the same location as the source file. Done. I assume there's something similar on Mac, although I haven't found it yet!

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:37 pm

chimp_spanner wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:34 pm I don't know if MP3 is a "dead" format. In my work (production and library music) roughly half the clients I deal with during the day send and request MP3s. So it's still very widely used.

That said, there are so many options now for creating MP3s. Like FlicFlac on Windows is fantastic. Drag the WAV onto the program and it dumps a copy in the same location as the source file. Done. I assume there's something similar on Mac, although I haven't found it yet!

What I mean by it being a dead format is this:

https://www.nme.com/news/music/mp3-file ... ed-2072285

The Fraunhofer Institute, which developed the MP3 format and licenses it to software developers, has ceased its licensing agreement.

There's much better and more modern codecs out there, for sure.

CasualHobbyist · Post by **CasualHobbyist** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:41 pm

MP3 doesn't have half-bad quality either, is pretty decent. The reason why it isn't implemented is because...what's the point? If you can get WAV or FLAC export, you can just downconvert manually to mp3, or to any other format for that matter.

As for a real reason why it isn't there. MP3 was a patent-encumbered format for a very long while, many companies used to hold some rights of MP3 and people were fighting off to get a license on that, it wasn't very common during the era to see that many DAWs having mp3 export due to fear of patent/trademark trolls, in 2017 the MP3 format finally got released and became an open format. However, it barely has any documentation when it comes to encoding (again, patents), you'd have to figure out a way to implement this on your DAW and make the process clean too. And this day and age, is a feature not worth the time of the developers (why when you can just downconvert anyway) or money spent.

Mattvk19 · Post by **Mattvk19** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:50 pm

I hope there will be a cheap way to get Grain.....

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:54 pm

Mattvk19 wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:50 pm I hope there will be a cheap way to get Grain.....

It's not in Intro, so unfortunately you need to get full Reason. Best bet would be to find cheaply some old version of Reason and upgrade it to 10/11.

starflakeprj · Post by **starflakeprj** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:24 pm

EnochLight wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:22 pm
neverenoughfunk wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:18 pm could someone explain why no mp3 support in Reason 11...
Because it's a dead format that offers shitty sound quality?

I'd prefer FLAC export instead, to be honest.

Well, the questions could be rephrased to "can someone explain why there are no audio compression formats available in Reason (any version)?".

Anyway, Mp3 is still a valid format, and works well if you want to sent a clip to someone else. Mp3 is still used in several DAWs as a choice when exporting a song. The reason I think Reason didn't include it from the beginning is becuase of the license fee. There are many better formats, but Mp3 is still the most convenient.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:50 pm

starflakeprj wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:24 pm Anyway, Mp3 is still a valid format, and works well if you want to sent a clip to someone else. Mp3 is still used in several DAWs as a choice when exporting a song. The reason I think Reason didn't include it from the beginning is becuase of the license fee. There are many better formats, but Mp3 is still the most convenient.

I don't get this license fee talk. Yes, you would have to pay a license fee to Fraunhoffer if you wanted to use their encoder but, AFAIK, Lame is legal, Open Source and free: http://lame.sourceforge.net/

Or not?

reggie1979 · Post by **reggie1979** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:13 pm

NM, the answer is yes.

Psuper · Post by **Psuper** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:24 pm

MP3 and follow-up compressed audio formats were great in early 2k for the dozen or so people around here who might have had an mp3 player with their 32 mb or whatever storage - the only real reason MP3 took off mainstream. We don't need it anymore except for convenience if quality isn't an issue: compressed audio in any format is just shy of nail-on-the-chalkboard horrid.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:27 pm

Psuper wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:24 pm MP3 and follow-up compressed audio formats were great in early 2k for the dozen or so people around here who might have had an mp3 player with their 32 mb or whatever storage - the only real reason MP3 took off mainstream. We don't need it anymore except for convenience if quality isn't an issue: compressed audio in any format is just shy of nail-on-the-chalkboard horrid.

^^ THIS ^^

Trust me, I've got a gazillion MP3's on my music server, back when I used to hoard digital media. These days, it brings me to tears to listen to MP3-encoded music. And that's coming from a middle aged person whose hearing isn't that great!

chimp_spanner · Post by **chimp_spanner** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:32 pm

EnochLight wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:37 pm
chimp_spanner wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:34 pm I don't know if MP3 is a "dead" format. In my work (production and library music) roughly half the clients I deal with during the day send and request MP3s. So it's still very widely used.

That said, there are so many options now for creating MP3s. Like FlicFlac on Windows is fantastic. Drag the WAV onto the program and it dumps a copy in the same location as the source file. Done. I assume there's something similar on Mac, although I haven't found it yet!
What I mean by it being a dead format is this:

https://www.nme.com/news/music/mp3-file ... ed-2072285

The Fraunhofer Institute, which developed the MP3 format and licenses it to software developers, has ceased its licensing agreement.

There's much better and more modern codecs out there, for sure.

Ahh right, gotcha. Actually wasn’t aware of that! Makes more sense now.

CasualHobbyist · Post by **CasualHobbyist** » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:10 pm

I personally don't think MP3 is shy of nail-on-the-chalkboard horrid or crying-inducing these days but hey, just me and a few others I suppose. In any-case, no, for the purposes of music creation I don't see much point in MP3 export due to easily available tools to encode them right now, I suppose developers could focus their efforts on more "interesting" features. Whatever they come up with.

Reason 11 announced!!!