Have Modern VST Instruments Replaced Your Hardware Synths ?
- KVRian
- 545 posts since 17 Sep, 2020
For the most part, they have. Although, I'm never going to part with my Virus.
- KVRAF
- 9578 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
You should insist on encoders then. If done right even visually more informative....BONES wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:37 am The problem is that if the knob is at the extreme right but the patch has almost no resonance on it to start with, it will suddenly jump up to full res as soon as you touch it or it wont' do anything until you get the knob in the right spot and you'll miss your cue.
I am all over hardware, couldn’t live without it, but its 100% controllers, except for my iPad no sound generators...
When reading about MODX for example I get tempted, but my iPad would beat it easily and I will never need a keyboard again...
One advantage of HW sound generators would be to not get lost in choices. But one could practice discipline (in theory...; - )
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
Same hereEffectsworks wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:08 pm For the most part, they have. Although, I'm never going to part with my Virus.
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- KVRian
- 1472 posts since 4 Apr, 2011 from Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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- KVRian
- 1355 posts since 26 Sep, 2002 from Montreal, CANADA
Yes they have but it takes being good with computers and having an ergonomical workspace. I love hardware but it's hard to justify right now.
Last GAS impulses (which I did not give in) were Korg Prologue, MODX and PA700 arranger. These seem quite brilliant and great sounding but in the end, everything has to go on the computer so it's just more work at that point.
Last GAS impulses (which I did not give in) were Korg Prologue, MODX and PA700 arranger. These seem quite brilliant and great sounding but in the end, everything has to go on the computer so it's just more work at that point.
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
I have 2 HW synths, Virus TI and Arturia Microbrute and I think they both sound really amazing, but I have noticed long ago that I'm far more productive (i.e. actually have chance to finish some tracks) when I use only softsynths. Basically, using hardware requires planning the track structure in advance while 100% ITB process is far more spontaneous and flexible.
So far I managed to finish only one track using both my hardware synths.
Here's the track (it's not 100% hardware but large portion of the synth sounds is the Virus and the Brute)
https://soundcloud.com/recursion-loop/the-distance
So far I managed to finish only one track using both my hardware synths.
Here's the track (it's not 100% hardware but large portion of the synth sounds is the Virus and the Brute)
https://soundcloud.com/recursion-loop/the-distance
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- KVRAF
- 35687 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
That's exactly the problem I see with a hardware workflow. I like to stay flexible.recursive one wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:35 pm I have 2 HW synths, Virus TI and Arturia Microbrute and I think they both sound really amazing, but I have noticed long ago that I'm far more productive (i.e. actually have chance to finish some tracks) when I use only softsynths. Basically, using hardware requires planning the track structure in advance while 100% ITB process is far more spontaneous and flexible.
I thought about getting the Behringer Model D the other day, but, hell... I wouldn't really go along well with the complete inability to recall settings, or having to bounce it the whole time. For the 1% it would still give me over Monark, there's just too many trade offs.
I love the bass on your track BTW. Spot on.
- KVRAF
- 3821 posts since 20 Apr, 2005
At least you said your euorack was fun - but no surprise that you're getting down voted for your woefully condescending suggestion that everyone else uses a laptop and makes the same music!HanafiH wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:11 am The problem with the local cave is that there are twenty thousand other dudes also with laptops all with the same software as you all making roughly the same sound with roughly the same presets.
I’ve gone the other way. I could have bought a car with what I’ve just spent on Eurorackery. It’s such fun. It’s so intense and it’s nearly unique.
Surely the synth you use is not driving your music and creativity, but the other way round?
Might have been more useful to share what you think you get from your your eurorack i.e. hands on fun, thicker sound, that you think you wouldn't get just from e.g. using Reaktor.
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- KVRAF
- 18470 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Last week I did a proper a/b between Repro and my Prophet 6. I’d sorted of informally thought the 6 sounded “better” but I like Repro too, and it’s got a lot of other things going on. Definitely worth having. But with a formal stress test of both synths, I clearly thought the Prophet 6 sounded better, from a basic oscillator sound to wild audio rate modulation via the poly mod section. Repro just doesn’t have the same sound. It’s like it’s just “closed” or something. It wasn’t a slight difference either. Very noticeable. Maybe less movement in the upper harmonics... not sure. Repro just sounded more muted. In a mix the Repro would probably fit better, especially if there’s a lot going on, but as a solo instrument the hardware synth blew it away.
Don’t take this to mean that I don’t use and enjoy Repro. I do, and it does sound good and is capable of things that my 6 won’t do (and definitely not the 5), but it’s not a replacement for hardware. More of an augmentation. At one point, I drifted away from my a/b testing and just started building two layered patches and it sounded phenomenal.
Don’t take this to mean that I don’t use and enjoy Repro. I do, and it does sound good and is capable of things that my 6 won’t do (and definitely not the 5), but it’s not a replacement for hardware. More of an augmentation. At one point, I drifted away from my a/b testing and just started building two layered patches and it sounded phenomenal.
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- KVRian
- 1418 posts since 14 Apr, 2016 from Germany
Same here..alvfaria wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:16 pm Vintage hardware romplers are replacing my modern vst synths![]()

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- KVRAF
- 8078 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
recursive one wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:35 pm Basically, using hardware requires planning the track structure in advance while 100% ITB process is far more spontaneous and flexible.
Pretty much everything I do is improvisational, and I use hardware synths for that more than software.chk071 wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:54 pm That's exactly the problem I see with a hardware workflow. I like to stay flexible.
I thought about getting the Behringer Model D the other day, but, hell... I wouldn't really go along well with the complete inability to recall settings, or having to bounce it the whole time. For the 1% it would still give me over Monark, there's just too many trade offs.
Patch recall is not interesting to me at all. Some of my synths and two of my more complex Euro modules have a default init patch and I just take it from there. Sound design often serves as the inspiration for my recordings rather than as some kind of creative speed bump.
I record live takes, with effects baked in. The closest I get to "bouncing" is recording looper fodder -- or deciding during the editing phase that a little extra drone or noise layer in the background would be nice.
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- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
- KVRAF
- 4081 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
Way to show incredible deep knowledge of sound designHanafiH wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:11 am The problem with the local cave is that there are twenty thousand other dudes also with laptops all with the same software as you all making roughly the same sound with roughly the same presets.
I’ve gone the other way. I could have bought a car with what I’ve just spent on Eurorackery. It’s such fun. It’s so intense and it’s nearly unique. The flagship wavetable engine I took delivery of yesterday has a serial number 1,736. That’s how many other people out there can make same sound. How many hundreds of thousands of Xfer Serums are there? How many million Omnispheres (when you count the unofficial ones)? In a world of instantly reproducible software instruments hardware is unique. It’s like the original cover of JMJ’s Equinoxe. All those hopefuls, all scanning the same horizon for the same chance in the same lottery.
Somewhere there is some place
That one million eyes can't see
And somewhere there is someone
Who can see what I can see?
Someone, somewhere in summertime.
Simple Minds, 1982.
dedication to flying
