Could someone please explain anti-loop snobbery?

[Meffy]

Caysi, you've seen Flame Warriors, yes? If not: http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/

[duncanparsons]

Anyway thats my take on it and maybe i am wrong It would be really interesting if alot more creative musical minds from very different style/genre...etc got together and collaberated on records alot more for music's sake and not for the sake of commercial sales/marketing...

Dean

a paragraph worthy of its own thread in this world of demographics

very true, and can I point you to the RunDMC/Aerosmith 'collaboration' as probably the most notable one to date... There should be more, but it's a dangerous game!

How about Steve Reich and Fairport Convention? ('Meet on the Phase')
The Moody Blues and Metallica? ('Sandman in White Satin')
The Bonzo Dog Doh Dah Band and Eminem ('Can Blue men sing Slim Shady')

[shamann]

If that makes any sense to anyone? and especially you shamann?

Makes sense to me and in keeping with what I said all those years ago. I think exclusionary positions serve only to harm others. Saying "I am better than you" has no bearing on my skill set, it's only purpose is to give me leverage over you.

[ATS]

I started making music with loops. I don't think my music was uncreative or whatever else negative these musical geniuses, who would never use loops, are saying about music made with loops.

Here is music all made with loops that I made. rememeber I was new with music when I made these around 7 or 8 years ago I guess it was and I am sure there are plenty of people who use loops that far excede this stuff by a mile.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default ... dID=663411

[Mac of BIOnighT]

I'm not saying anybody's superior to anybody because of the group they belong to (cratively). However, I can say that making music with loops is like painting with numbered canvases (not sure what the real name of these things is, but you got my meaning), I'm still convinced of that.
But I'm also saying that any "musician" belonging to any other category can make equally - or more (a lot more, in some cases) - useless and crappy music.
None of us is immune to that.

[deaf dunderkwac]

I like making useless, crappy music.

It's harder than I thought because the tools are a bit too good.

I liken loops as to pre-mixed paints, as opposed to painting-by-numbers.

That said I use whatever I feel like using and could care less about the detractors because they're baboons dressed up as artists and experts.

[deaf dunderkwac]

didn't mean disrespect towards baboons,,,
sorry baboons

[ATS]

didn't mean disrespect towards baboons,,,
sorry baboons

[buscemi]

"Well if that's all it takes, anyone could make music! What I do takes so much more effort and of course is better." Yeah, sure, whatever.

Exactly. If more effort equaled brilliant music, KVR would be considered the f**king epicenter of musical genius.

[DWb]

I like making useless, crappy music.

It's harder than I thought because the tools are a bit too good.

I liken loops as to pre-mixed paints, as opposed to painting-by-numbers.

Collage is the more obvious comparison.

Obviously you can stick fuzzy felt animals onto a fuzzy felt farm and come up with something not terrifically interesting, but combining bits of existing works into something creative of your own is something that the visual art world managed to get its head around most of a century ago.

This attitude of "your work must be 100% your own or you're a creative no hoper" attitude seems to be a weird hangover of 19th century romanticism, but mangled in such a way that even 19th century romantics would find it odd. If anyone knows of anyone standing up for this sort of attitude in serious academic criticism I'd be very interested to know...

[Mac of BIOnighT]

I'm awful glad to be a baboon, seeing what the alternatives are...

[shamann]

KVR would be considered the f**king epicenter of musical genius.

Wait, you mean it isn't? I've been misled.

[Mac of BIOnighT]

And by the way, I never found collage particularly interesting eiher - if you know of anyone getting touched and moved by a collage as by a painting from 1600's, please let me know...

[justin3am]

Loops are cool to work with, a lot can be done with them. They present an interesting limitation and challenge those that use loops to make them their own. Sure, one could argue that arranging a bunch of loops into the shape of a song is not difficult. I would not disagree with that assertion. However, using a single loop to create an expressive rhythm part or lead part, etc. takes a keen ear and a decent amount of skill with the more esoteric features of a sampler.

I work with a ton of loops, most of which I recorded, mixed and edited myself. These are recordings that, in their most naked state, would make a terrible song. I have been recycling the same 5gb of material (mostly drum loops) for years now and I'm constantly finding new ways to use them.

I personally get inspired by working this way, but I can understand how others might not. I don't know how to play guitar or keyboards or anything like that, so I find it tough to be inspired by trying to play those instruments, I still put a lot of effort into learning.

[deaf dunderkwac]

Apparently some like to dismiss stuff for whatever reason they might have.
-a pre-filter perhaps.

(tosses paint against wall- declares it 'gud')
(tosses notes and loops on piano roll- declares it 'gud')
is there a reason to dismiss a method?
All methods have equal standing. Some people toss better then others.
(it's all in the wrist, kind of.)
then the observer at the time they observe gets to decide whether it's crap or not.

Detractors try very hard to distract observers from observing as it serves the detractors interests using sleight-of-hand.
-don't look there! look here!

limiting interests isn't for me however I've always been amazed at what I think as absolute crap embraced by large audiences.