If you know, they will find you, and they will GET you!Arglebargle wrote:the real reason Camel Audio went out of business is
Camel Audio ceasing sales? [Update: CA acquired by Apple]
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SuitcaseOfLizards SuitcaseOfLizards https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2363 - KVRAF
- 10879 posts since 3 Apr, 2002 from Austin, TX USA
Bandcamp: https://suitcaseoflizards.bandcamp.com/
Linux Mint, Waveform 13 Pro, U-He synths, Audio Damage effects,.
Linux Mint, Waveform 13 Pro, U-He synths, Audio Damage effects,.
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- KVRAF
- 16977 posts since 23 Jun, 2010 from north of London ON
They will do such...and they are not pleasant!!!SyntheticAurality wrote:If you know, they will find you, and they will GET you!Arglebargle wrote:the real reason Camel Audio went out of business is
Barry
If a billion people believe a stupid thing it is still a stupid thing
If a billion people believe a stupid thing it is still a stupid thing
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- KVRist
- 194 posts since 31 Dec, 2008
But they were generated from waveforms licensed from Galbanum, which are apparantly wavetables. Aren't wavetables essentially a table of very short samples?EvilDragon wrote:Nope, VA oscs were generated (via additive engine, IIRC, not sure).
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- KVRAF
- 19813 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
I knew someone was going to say that...........very surprised it was you.Kriminal wrote:Actually, even the synth osc used samples...Teksonik wrote:No it (is) both...........mhog wrote:it's (was) not a synth. It's (was) a rompler...Arglebargle wrote:You know what synth was really overrated? Alchemy
Yes I know the VA Oscs are sample based but we both know that Alchemy is a Synth as well as a Rompler. I've spent many enjoyable hours programming patches in Alchemy and never used anything but the VA Saw. It's capable of creating some very nice "Synth" sounds and is an area where it is very underrated.
To say Alchemy is not a synth because the VA Osc's aren't generated is just silly.........
I seem to remember this discussion coming up years ago and I thought it was decided the VA Oscs were sample based but either way Alchemy is a Synth by any definition.......EvilDragon wrote:Nope, VA oscs were generated (via additive engine, IIRC, not sure).
WIKI:
A sound synthesizer (often abbreviated as "synthesizer" or "synth", also spelled "synthesiser") is an electronic musical instrument that generates electric signals converted to sound through loudspeakers or headphones. Synthesizers may either imitate other instruments or generate new timbres. They are often played with a keyboard, but they can be controlled via a variety of other input devices, including music sequencers, instrument controllers, fingerboards, guitar synthesizers, wind controllers, and electronic drums. Synthesizers without built-in controllers are often called sound modules, and are controlled via MIDI or CV/Gate.
Synthesizers use various methods to generate signal. Among the most popular waveform synthesis techniques are subtractive synthesis, additive synthesis, wavetable synthesis, frequency modulation synthesis, phase distortion synthesis, physical modeling synthesis and sample-based synthesis. Other sound synthesis methods including subharmonic synthesis used on mixture trautonium, granular synthesis resulting Soundscape or Cloud, are rarely used
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRist
- 194 posts since 31 Dec, 2008
I agree that Alchemy should be considered a synth but to be fair, that very broad Wiki definition would class any regular sampler as a synth too, it wouldn't even exclude Soundcloud or even just an mp3 player as being one. Which I suppose in the broadest sense they are - anything capable of producing something "synthetically" is but, well, you know what I mean.Teksonik wrote:I knew someone was going to say that...........very surprised it was you.Kriminal wrote:Actually, even the synth osc used samples...Teksonik wrote:No it (is) both...........mhog wrote:it's (was) not a synth. It's (was) a rompler...Arglebargle wrote:You know what synth was really overrated? Alchemy
Yes I know the VA Oscs are sample based but we both know that Alchemy is a Synth as well as a Rompler. I've spent many enjoyable hours programming patches in Alchemy and never used anything but the VA Saw. It's capable of creating some very nice "Synth" sounds and is an area where it is very underrated.
To say Alchemy is not a synth because the VA Osc's aren't generated is just silly.........
I seem to remember this discussion coming up years ago and I thought it was decided the VA Oscs were sample based but either way Alchemy is a Synth by any definition.......EvilDragon wrote:Nope, VA oscs were generated (via additive engine, IIRC, not sure).
WIKI:
A sound synthesizer (often abbreviated as "synthesizer" or "synth", also spelled "synthesiser") is an electronic musical instrument that generates electric signals converted to sound through loudspeakers or headphones. Synthesizers may either imitate other instruments or generate new timbres. They are often played with a keyboard, but they can be controlled via a variety of other input devices, including music sequencers, instrument controllers, fingerboards, guitar synthesizers, wind controllers, and electronic drums. Synthesizers without built-in controllers are often called sound modules, and are controlled via MIDI or CV/Gate.
Synthesizers use various methods to generate signal. Among the most popular waveform synthesis techniques are subtractive synthesis, additive synthesis, wavetable synthesis, frequency modulation synthesis, phase distortion synthesis, physical modeling synthesis and sample-based synthesis. Other sound synthesis methods including subharmonic synthesis used on mixture trautonium, granular synthesis resulting Soundscape or Cloud, are rarely used
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- KVRAF
- 19813 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
Seriously are we really going to do this ?treebeard wrote: I agree that Alchemy should be considered a synth but to be fair, that very broad Wiki definition would class any regular sampler as a synth too, it wouldn't even exclude Soundcloud or even just an mp3 player as being one. Which I suppose in the broadest sense they are - anything capable of producing something "synthetically" is but, well, you know what I mean.
Does an MP3 player have 51 different filters to choose from ? ADSR ? MSEGs ? LFOs ? An Arp ? and on and on......
I'll say it again and that's all I'll say on the subject. To claim Alchemy is not a Synth just because the VA Oscs aren't generated is silly.....end of story.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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- KVRAF
- 1796 posts since 4 Sep, 2011 from England
I would call it a workstation.
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- KVRAF
- 5643 posts since 15 Dec, 2011
Guys, how many backups do you have for your Camel Audio purchases? The idea of losing the watermarked setup files forever is truly scary.
Thank God they weren't using C/R.
Thank God they weren't using C/R.
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- KVRist
- 194 posts since 31 Dec, 2008
Glad to hear it!
There are many synthesizers which don't have 51 filters, ADSR, MSEG's, LFO's or Arps.
Its all semantics ultimately, endlessy debatable and people are free to their own opinions on such matters....end of story
There are many synthesizers which don't have 51 filters, ADSR, MSEG's, LFO's or Arps.
Its all semantics ultimately, endlessy debatable and people are free to their own opinions on such matters....end of story
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
i didnt say that, i was just setting the record straight.Teksonik wrote:I knew someone was going to say that...........very surprised it was you.Kriminal wrote:Actually, even the synth osc used samples...Teksonik wrote:No it (is) both...........mhog wrote:it's (was) not a synth. It's (was) a rompler...Arglebargle wrote:You know what synth was really overrated? Alchemy
Yes I know the VA Oscs are sample based but we both know that Alchemy is a Synth as well as a Rompler. I've spent many enjoyable hours programming patches in Alchemy and never used anything but the VA Saw. It's capable of creating some very nice "Synth" sounds and is an area where it is very underrated.
To say Alchemy is not a synth because the VA Osc's aren't generated is just silly.........
As s 'synth' it always been let down by the filters, so got close to zero use here.
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- KVRAF
- 2258 posts since 25 Jun, 2008 from Montreal, Canada
I heard Ben was playing CoD in the office and was victim of swatting. He's now at Guantanamo...
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- KVRAF
- 22925 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
But that doesn't make it not a synth. Maybe not a "good" synth in your opinion, but a synth nonetheless.Kriminal wrote:i didnt say that, i was just setting the record straight.Teksonik wrote:I knew someone was going to say that...........very surprised it was you.Kriminal wrote:Actually, even the synth osc used samples...Teksonik wrote:No it (is) both...........mhog wrote:it's (was) not a synth. It's (was) a rompler...Arglebargle wrote:You know what synth was really overrated? Alchemy
Yes I know the VA Oscs are sample based but we both know that Alchemy is a Synth as well as a Rompler. I've spent many enjoyable hours programming patches in Alchemy and never used anything but the VA Saw. It's capable of creating some very nice "Synth" sounds and is an area where it is very underrated.
To say Alchemy is not a synth because the VA Osc's aren't generated is just silly.........
As s 'synth' it always been let down by the filters, so got close to zero use here.
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- KVRAF
- 24414 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Well I can't find any samples in the factory Samples folder that match those names, so... where are they?Kriminal wrote:EvilDragon wrote:Nope, VA oscs were generated (via additive engine, IIRC, not sure).
Wrong.
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
EvilDragon wrote:Well I can't find any samples in the factory Samples folder that match those names, so... where are they?Kriminal wrote:EvilDragon wrote:Nope, VA oscs were generated (via additive engine, IIRC, not sure).
Wrong.
As i recall, in folders called osc or va osc. Samples are also used for lfo shapes.