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sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:41 pm

Hi,

After further careful checking I think I do have to ask if something incorrect might be going on with RC MIDI keyboard chord input.

Background - I'm using the Cthulhu plugin in Bitwig to turn single key presses into chords. This is the source of the chords being sent here. They travel out of Bitwig into the loopMIDI virtual pipe 'loopMIDI Cubase to KMo', which you will see as the RC MIDI In. I have observed this pipe with MIDI-OX and it contains exactly what is expected, i.e. a set of chord note ons and note offs for each key press/release.

I made this video for reference:

https://www.screencast.com/t/eYYM812cZ3R

Questions:

1. What is the visual action going on in RC in the 'Enter chords from MIDI keyboard' box when I first open it (0:08)? It seems that locations may be flying by, leaving me no longer on the first chord where I'm starting (?)

2. Once I start entering chords, the box detects them correctly, but they do not get entered into the RC master track (at least not in the area visible). Should not the setup as configured ('Jump to Next Chord ...' checked) be causing those chords to be entered in the MasterTrack sequentially as they are supplied?

I note that I can turn off Cthulhu and play my full chords manually and the behavior is identical.

Please advise if the video or my questions are not clear. Thanks!

BluGenes · Post by **BluGenes** » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:12 pm

Try it with the other settings checked in settings, "receive midi start/stop/continue" and the one below it, "receive midi song position pointer" and see if that works.. (midi input, that is) .. Other than that, the only thing I can think of is some where along the chain, RC not getting all the info...

edit: I did notice that, in my case, if I press 1 note on my keyboard, RC flashes the master track position, but, does not write a chord.

after changing those settings, close RC and restart too

sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:23 pm

OK, more experimenting.

I found that timing clock was being sent thru the pipe. Of course that should not matter, but I squelched it at the source just in case it was relevant.

With the timing clock turned off, the behavior cleaned up and seems OK, both with automatic next chord stepping and without.

It seems the presence of the MIDI timing clock on the RC MIDI In somehow messes up the RC chord detection interaction/process.

It is much to be desired that the presence of timing clock (or any non-note data) be irrelevant here, if at all possible. Thanks!

BluGenes · Post by **BluGenes** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:15 am

possible new bug... A rendered Melody Editor when mirror vertical variation added does not mirror.. but, need to someone else to confirm..

edit: doesn't need to be rendered, just does not mirror..

edit: seems to not work with any of the melody generators

edit: ok, so if you add the variation, then render, it works..

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:06 pm

Hi sj1,

thanks for your help in investigating this!
You are correct, for some reason MIDI clock events were passed to chord detection which was a problem.
I fixed this in beta23, which will be uploaded in a few hours.

Thanks,
Attila

sj1 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:23 pm OK, more experimenting.

It is much to be desired that the presence of timing clock (or any non-note data) be irrelevant here, if at all possible. Thanks!

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:25 pm

BluGenes wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:12 pm edit: I did notice that, in my case, if I press 1 note on my keyboard, RC flashes the master track position, but, does not write a chord.

Good point! Thanks, BluGenes, I have fixed this too.

BluGenes · Post by **BluGenes** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:50 pm

This is the mirror bug..

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:10 pm

This is crazy, because if I do the exact same, it works well here

I tried the same with beta22, not just with the latest version.
There must be a setting which is different on our setup.
I started to build beta23, and we'll see if you can reproduce it with it.
Thanks for the video (still can't believe my eyes)!
Attila

sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:30 pm

I watched the Mirror Bug video above. It's clear and undeniable.

FWIW, did a quick test here with Melody and Markov Melody generators and the problem did not appear. My vertical mirroring variable took place instantly as expected.

( RC 3.9b22 (x64), Windows 10 )

BluGenes · Post by **BluGenes** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:36 pm

I never crashed, and with a crash something always stays in memory.. I'll reboot and try it again anyways.. For the most part, I just mostly default settings when possible..

edit: For what it's worth, I did START the experiment with the melody editor first.. not sure if that makes a difference..

BluGenes · Post by **BluGenes** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:20 pm

Naw, I can repeatably re-produce the problem.. However, not related, but kind of, would be cool if the add variation button click would list the variations in a sorted order, like alphabetical..

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:32 pm

RapidComposer 3.9b23 is available!

Many bug fixes in this update, and the new file browser!
The author is very grateful for the lots of feedback and bug reports

Improvements:

File browser added
Fixed tempo track recalculation when tempo change was removed
[plug-ins] Fixes when closing and reopening the window
[plug-ins] Avoid using a stored window size
Fixed: MIDI clock does not disturb chord detection
Many other small improvements and fixes

BluGenes · Post by **BluGenes** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:47 pm

I'll have a video response tomorrow .. such a strange bug.. lol.. my plan is to to recap the bug in beta 22, do the download, and see what happens.. till then..

BluGenes · Post by **BluGenes** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:50 pm

Video response not really needed, I did record it though.. Problem still there..

lulukom · Post by **lulukom** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:05 pm

About the new browser ... I used to drag and drop MIDI files from the computer onto the tracks ..Of course, it is now more convenient to drag and drop MIDI files onto tracks, but I expected that the browser would have a MIDI player or here you can say "Preview" (I personally do not need an audio player). I would like to listen to the midi file - do I need it? (

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