Poly-Ana 1.0 New VA softsynth. 1 week full functioning demo

[AdmiralQuality]

I want to make big Canadian New Wave rock on this...

*Removes hat and does the secret Canadian handshake with bduffy.*

*fumbles with beer, spills on keyboard, makes the shake!*

I have a sudden urge to listen to Chalk Circle...

Men Without Hats? Haywire? Not Loverboy?
(Where's the EEK! icon when you need it! )

Cold Toast! (oh wait, I mean Frozen Ghost! )

And, thanks to those of you above for pointing out that this thread doesn't jump off the internet of it's own volition into people's unwilling eyeballs. "Spam"? Just discussing a new instrument with the developer, how is that spam in this forum? Still, I probably will ask to set up an AQ support forum at some point soon. But for now a single thread is more concise. This isn't support (again, email me for that), it's primarily an announcment thread, a place for people to share obssevations and comments (yes, even negative ones), and whatever else comes up that's somehow related to my products, what an asshole I am, or obscure Canadian new wave acts.

Redshift, you're still misinformed but I'm too tired to bother correcting you on every point. Suffice to say this is why there's a free full functioning demo. Try it, and then you'll know if it works (and if it doesn't, then by all means let me know and I'll do what I can do). It will certainly work if you run a 32 bit host (as you are now). And note that making it a 2.4 plugin has NOTHING to do with x64 compatibility. So would YOU kindly stop spamming this thread with your misinfo. (You too "Chris Walton", you're just plain wrong and CLEARLY out of your depth. Nobody's forcing you to read this)

EDIT: Oh and if there's some rule about changing thread titles, please have a mod let me know. It's a feature to me, gives people a quick summary of what the latest fight is about.

Oh, and I'm 39.

[Chris Walton]

(You too "Chris Walton", you're just plain wrong and CLEARLY out of your depth.

No I'm not. I'm quite certain that I'm right. But please, prove me wrong.

[Kingston]

Queue Kingston coming in to tell me I'm out of my depth again...

hey arke, you're completely out of your depth again and being an obnoxious annoying little know-it-all prick as well.

just let it go. last time you got banned with your little personal war against I can't even remember who it was that time.

We coders aren't as high and mighty as we'd sometimes like others to believe

yeah. it's definitely just you. you who have absolutely f**k all to show for it.

[AdmiralQuality]

(You too "Chris Walton", you're just plain wrong and CLEARLY out of your depth.

No I'm not. I'm quite certain that I'm right. But please, prove me wrong.

Get out of here please arke. Do I go into threads about your products and give you a hard time? Oh right, you have no products. You claim to work in the industry, so who do you work for? You just quote dogma without the hands-on experience to back it up, rattling off what your teachers told you as if that makes it the be-all/end-all of knowledge.

It's exactly because I dare to look beyond that kind of narrow thinking that this product is truely different. That's what I'm offering here. If somebody doesn't want different (and that's fine), then they can go to virtually every other competitor because they all do it (and sound) roughly the same. I'm continually astounded that people want to come in here and complain that I'm offering an alternative! And here I was thinking that popular opinion was that the VA synth market was saturated with too many products that are just the same thing over and over again.

Beyond that, I can't get into it. NDA again. Just trust me, you're a bonafide asshat.

[Chris Walton]

you who have absolutely f**k all to show for it.

You claim to work in the industry, so who do you work for?

I really hate playing the "oh look I work for xxx lol" card because it has f**k all to do with being right or wrong. But since you insist, reFX.

You just quote dogma without the hands-on experience to back it up, rattling off what your teachers told you as if that makes it the be-all/end-all of knowledge.

I find it funny that you would accuse me of this, since its basically why I'm not fond of computer science students, graduates, and professors. Kinda like people that yell about VST2.4 but obviously haven't taken more than a fleeting glance at it.

[Kingston]

But since you insist that it does matter

no. in this case it doesn't matter (and we all know this). two weeks on the payroll can't be counted as any kind of experience. You still completely lack credibility to judge any AQ's synths internal design decisions.

its basically why I'm not fond of computer science students, graduates, and professors.

And the reason for that is clear. You can't stand them because they generally do not approve of your obvious superiority in everything.

We all were 18 once.

[Chris Walton]

Good then. And AdmiralQuality has admitted that he has no DSP experience and is learning as he goes along, so it all evens out doesn't it? (I'd wager that its the reason AQ thinks 8x oversampling the entire signal chain is a good thing).

Quality over Quantity, right?

[Kingston]

8x oversampling the entire signal chain is a good thing

the reason for that is clear. brute force no corners cut methods sound bloody awesome, and this one is no exception. The sound quality is better than, or on par with anything out there at the moment and saying anything else shows severe lack of experience with these type of synths. The semi-modular design itself is rather standard fare.

[Chris Walton]

its basically why I'm not fond of computer science students, graduates, and professors.

And the reason for that is clear. You can't stand them because they generally do not approve of your obvious superiority in everything.

We all were 18 once.

Nice deduction, I would have probably said the same ... but wrong.

I can't stand them because GoF is their bible, Java the ultimate programming language, Automata Theory the reason for existence, and nobody can say anything different. GoF is a good book, Java ain't bad, and I can think of several reasons to learn Automata Theory but it all has limits. Somebody I know once said CS people are the christians of programming ... and its scary how many parallels there are

[marvotron]

you listen to the wrong ones then. everyone knows that smalltalk is the ultimate language, (well some would claim Lisp) but never Java.

and automata theory? wtf? did you get bullied by some cs kids who programmed automata in Java?

[AdmiralQuality]

I really hate playing the "oh look I work for xxx lol" card because it has f**k all to do with being right or wrong. But since you insist that it does matter, reFX.

And which of their products did you code? And you are the lead programmer, right?

You just quote dogma without the hands-on experience to back it up, rattling off what your teachers told you as if that makes it the be-all/end-all of knowledge.

I find it funny that you would accuse me of this, since its basically why I'm not fond of computer science students, graduates, and professors. Kinda like people that yell about VST2.4 but obviously haven't taken more than a fleeting glance at it.

How is that obvious? Just because you disagree? Are you telling me it didn't take 3+ months for the revisions to settle down on 2.4? I'm on the VST mailing list dude, I read and understood each and every bug that everyone was reporting -- and I decided to stay out of it until things had settled down. I don't like doing the work of people who make more money than me. But by that time, I was half done, it was clear 2.4 was a temporary patch, and 3 was coming next. Last thing I was going to do was waste time ripping up already tested code when the change offers NO new functionality.

And I'd really like to see you port a 2.3 SDK project to 2.4 in, what did you say, 5 minutes? Nice. Maybe it is to that point now (I doubt it, and certainly not to do it RIGHT) but I thoroughly evaluated the original 2.4 release, and was then too sickened to do anything but sit back and watch the list emails come in for the next few months and giggle and groan at all the dumb-ass problems they created.

And you yourself said above that you agree releasing a new host that forces 2.4 so suddenly and dropping DX was of them. Well that's EXACTLY what I've been saying. Indeed, I see the whole existance of C4 as a slap in the face, as SX3 had barely been "done" for a year when it came out. The right thing to do would have been release a FREE x64 update to SX3, but they're instead jumping on the (granted, unavoidable) hardware and OS schism that's tearing theough the industry right now, and using it as leverage to better shaft their customers. THAT'S what makes me sick. THERE IS NO REASON A 2.3 PLUGIN COULDN'T WORK IN C4. There's no reason DX can't. The reason is they didn't try, they're lazy, expect everyone to be compatible with them while they spurn compatibility with other standards, and probably didn't even want to try. This is typical of how they conduct their ops, the onus being on everyone else in the industry to bend over backwards to accommodate their changes, rather than building the compatibility into the CENTRAL product, the host. But as I pointed out already, they sell plug-ins TOO so to them, it's all good. Sleezy!

I've just been doing some hardware research and I see that more late model CPUs are x64 compatible than I was aware of. That's largely because I haven't had the luxury of hardware shopping for about 6 years and I tend to ignore change until there's a reason to pay attention. I've been working with technology long enough to know that it's best to do research the day before you need the answer, otherwise the answer will change before you're ready to act on it. Anyway, the good news is it probably means one less computer to buy. I'll keep this system for my 32/XP and make the next one 64/Vista.

Good then. And AdmiralQuality has admitted that he has no DSP experience and is learning as he goes along, so it all evens out doesn't it? (I'd wager that its the reason AQ thinks 8x oversampling the entire signal chain is a good thing).

Quality over Quantity, right?

Quality over EVERYTHING. What the hell is wrong with you?

And not a bad product for a guy with "no DSP experience", eh? And I'm not learning, I'm LEADING. (I "learned" about 2 things that are in Poly-Ana, one was a few lines of code from aciddose, another couple lines from Christian Budde -- thanks again guys! Everything else is entirely my own design. No musicdsp.com ripoffs in this product. No 3rd party code either. Every line, except of course the SDK itself, is mine.)

(And it's funny that your awesome dual core apparently has worse performance than my 6 year old P4. I don't know what to tell you, other than you deserve it.)

And Poly-Ana will 8X oversample if you want arke, but why don't you check the facts before you post? All Poly's default patches are set to 4X, which to my ears sounds good enough at 44.1 kHz. (Working at 96 kHz? Drop it to 2X!)Oversampling is what Poly-Ana IS ALL ABOUT. There'd have been little point to me using the same method everyone else does, then I'd just be adding yet another VA softsynth to the pile of same-olds. I would't have started this project in the first place if that was the plan. The breakthrough came first, and I felt it sounded good enough to base a synth on. Now that I'm done, I, and the many, MANY people who post here and email me to tell me how much they love it, feel that it was a worthwhile effort. I don't know what you're into, but it's the product *I* wanted. And if you're not interested then I can't imagine why you're even in here. (Well, we know, it's cuz you're an arsehole.) Do you have any idea how many threads I could go take a dump in, just because they're products I'm not into? But that would be rude and pointless and petty, just like you!

Sure, the "usual method" is valid too. And I'd encourage you to go post in threads for any of the hundreds of other products out there that do it the usual way. What you're criticizing here is the entire POINT of this product. So you don't like it, thanks, we've all noted that by now. So.... bye now!

[uselessmind]

All the "guerilla marketing" and the "interesting" attitude displayed by the dev finally led me to try this synth, even though i knew i wasn't going to buy it.

And as much as i hate to say it, it sounds incredible. Quite possibly the best sounding VA Plugin i have ever heard.

[Chris Walton]

I really hate playing the "oh look I work for xxx lol" card because it has f**k all to do with being right or wrong. But since you insist that it does matter, reFX.

And which of their products did you code? And you are the lead programmer, right?

No I'm not the lead programmer. I said it didn't matter, but you wanted to know, and now you're using that point against me? Sheesh.

You just quote dogma without the hands-on experience to back it up, rattling off what your teachers told you as if that makes it the be-all/end-all of knowledge.

I find it funny that you would accuse me of this, since its basically why I'm not fond of computer science students, graduates, and professors. Kinda like people that yell about VST2.4 but obviously haven't taken more than a fleeting glance at it.

How is that obvious? Just because you disagree? Are you telling me it didn't take 3+ months for the revisions to settle down on 2.4? I'm on the VST mailing list dude, I read and understood each and every bug that everyone was reporting -- and I decided to stay out of it until things had settled down. I don't like doing the work of people who make more money than me. But by that time, I was half done, it was clear 2.4 was a temporary patch, and 3 was coming next. Last thing I was going to do was waste time ripping up already tested code when the change offers NO new functionality.

And I'd really like to see you port a 2.3 SDK project to 2.4 in, what did you say, 5 minutes? Nice. Maybe it is to that point now (I doubt it, and certainly not to do it RIGHT) but I thoroughly evaluated the original 2.4 release, and was then too sickened to do anything but sit back and watch the list emails come in for the next few months and giggle and groan at all the dumb-ass problems they created.

If its Windows only, then yes, it shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes to do with the current SDK. I'm on the mailing list too, ya know?

I really cannot imagine what sort of hacks are in Poly-Ana that it takes longer than 5 minutes to port on Windows. Or maybe you just haven't tried, which I find much, much more likely.

Good then. And AdmiralQuality has admitted that he has no DSP experience and is learning as he goes along, so it all evens out doesn't it? (I'd wager that its the reason AQ thinks 8x oversampling the entire signal chain is a good thing).

Quality over Quantity, right?

Quality over EVERYTHING. What the hell is wrong with you?

And not a bad product for a guy with "no DSP experience", eh? And I'm not learning, I'm LEADING. (I "learned" about 2 things that are in Poly-Ana, one was a few lines of code from aciddose, another couple lines from Christian Budde -- thanks again guys! Everything else is entirely my own design. No musicdsp.com ripoffs in this product. No 3rd party code either. Every line, except of course the SDK itself, is mine.)

Once my laptop is back from the shop I'll try it. Demo already downloaded but couldn't try because teh laptop broke. I doubt its as good as its cracked up to be. If I hear aliasing I will fire up my frequency analyzer and my oscilloscope, take screenshots, audio samples, post them here, and laugh. Which basically means I will, since I already did all that (minus take screenshots) when I listened to the demo for RP.

(And it's funny that your awesome dual core apparently has worse performance than my 6 year old P4. I don't know what to tell you, other than you deserve it.)

You must be confusing me for somebody else because I currently run on a 1.3Ghz laptop.

And Poly-Ana will 8X oversample if you want arke, but why don't you check the facts before you post? All Poly's default patches are set to 4X, which to my ears sounds good enough at 44.1 kHz. (Working at 96 kHz? Drop it to 2X!)

Then why didn't you say so 5 pages when the issue first was mentioned?

And thanks for confirming that its a ladder filter.

Oversampling is what Poly-Ana IS ALL ABOUT. There'd have been little point to me using the same method everyone else does, then I'd just be adding yet another VA softsynth to the pile of same-olds.

Because nobody oversamples? Yeah riiiiight

I would't have started this project in the first place if that was the plan. The breakthrough came first, and I felt it sounded good enough to base a synth on.

The breakthrough is the filter. And the filter ain't bad because I've tried NaiveLPF and it isn't bad at all. But a filter doesn't make a synth. And the filter still doesn't hold a candle to the huovilainen stuff.

(and now you'll be telling me that I'm wrong, the breakthrough is not the filter its XYZ, etc, etc, etc, yeah right, I saw your posts ~1 year ago).

Do you have any idea how many threads I could go take a dump in, just because they're products I'm not into?

I think you're misunderstanding the reason I post in this thread. Its not because I have anything against you personally, and its not because I take dumps in threads of products I'm not interested in (do you see me in Sylenth1 threads? kxfree threads? oatmeal threads? cher effect threads? ).

Finally a fitting thread title though! Don't know if it was you or one of the mods was having fun but either way

[ATS]

"I really hate playing the "oh look I work for xxx lol" card because it has f**k all to do with being right or wrong. But since you insist, reFX."



That explains allot

[bleebsen]

In slight variation of a german saying:

" It doesn't bother the canadian maple if the sow rubs themself at it. "

i.e. maybe you shouldn't engange in such fights, AQ. your fine product speaks for itself.

and btw: an entry level AMD dual-core x64 system comes for 399euro over here... (I understand your money's tight, but it's not a huge investment to get x64 going at all)