Amplitube next models? What will they be?

[susiwong]

Tiny Terror!

Audio Clip

ok, I'm beginning to think you are doing it on purpose. That's the worst yet.

So, lets try something. ZC let me ask you this honestly. Do you think that audio clip for the Tiny Terror sounds good? Forget tone or style, does the clip sound good?

I was working on trying to get a Robin Trower Bridge of Sighs sound. This is how what I came up with. Still too much gain, not enough sustain, but getting close ..
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20497629/GuitExample2.wav
That clip is pretty much at the level I would use it in an actual song.

Here is the same clip absolutely obliterated by max/limit
WARNING this is louder than the last clip by a lot

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20497629/max-crapicatted.wav

Now, that's %100 ITB with the exception of the Deja-Vibe. Path is
Strat->Vibe->UA-710->Aurora->Cubase->Head Case. No other effects on the first clip. Just Maxed and Limited on the 2nd. And this is just me f'n around. I'm not trying to sell anything.

Can you seriously say that the Orange clip is listenable?

Did you hear Soldano #3 yet (same link) ?
Why on earth would anybody want to sound like that ?
Certainly not my headbanging friends, they go for razor sharp, tight bass over anything else.
But that said, you can make any hardware amp sound bad, too.
I'll wait with my judgement until I can test myself, the clips probably weren't done by the devs.

Re your clip, tough call.
Almost impossible ITB imho, as Robin gets his sustain from sheer volume, not from amp OD so much.
Forget #2, let's talk #1.
Not bad for a start, but not there yet, either.

A few things you might want to try :
- start with a clean amp "just on the edge", put an OD, treble boost or fuzz in front and roll down the guitar's volume until it feels transparent enough
- run a clean stack in parallel and mix to taste, Robin enjoys doing this a lot
- and if you haven't tried already, Bootsie's FerricTDS improves every ampsim guitar tone imho, back off the sim distortion and compensate with Ferric {Dynamics high, Saturation low, SC high, rest to taste}.
Ymmv,
susiwong

PS: I'm not claiming to get better results than you by any means, just offering a few ideas

[hibidy]

I'm in such a foul mood I've not listened to any of the clips so I want my prn to kick in before I do

I want to be "fain and balanced"

Yes, I'm a

[hibidy]

And why isn't anyone laughing at my rebecca black meme

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I have made it clear that I dont often listen to clips on KvR, mainly because they are too easy to manipulate as you say...but susiwong, I agree with you on that Soldano clip.

disclaimer: I mean no offense to anyone, nor am I judging anyone's playing or even judging the new models.

BTW 'run a clean stack in parallel'...how does one run two stacks in series?

[susiwong]

I have made it clear that I dont often listen to clips on KvR, mainly because they are too easy to manipulate as you say...but susiwong, I agree with you on that Soldano clip.

disclaimer: I mean no offense to anyone, nor am I judging anyone's playing or even judging the new models.

BTW 'run a clean stack in parallel'...how does one run two stacks in series?

You already got me right, I said "parallel".
But then, there are examples of folks (Page ?) running small amps through a load resistor into a stack, getting unconventional results.
Should work with stacks too, you could always mic the 1st one and feed the mic pre into the 2nd.
But hey, isn't that how you grill your LPs ?
Lol,
susiwong

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I have made it clear that I dont often listen to clips on KvR, mainly because they are too easy to manipulate as you say...but susiwong, I agree with you on that Soldano clip.

disclaimer: I mean no offense to anyone, nor am I judging anyone's playing or even judging the new models.

BTW 'run a clean stack in parallel'...how does one run two stacks in series?

You already got me right, I said "parallel".
But then, there are examples of folks (Page ?) running small amps through a load resistor into a stack, getting unconventional results.
Should work with stacks too, you could always mic the 1st one and feed the mic pre into the 2nd.
But hey, isn't that how you grill your LPs ?
Lol,
susiwong

[susiwong]

And why isn't anyone laughing at my rebecca black meme

Because I've never heard of her ?
I know her brothers though, Jack and Pitch.
Confused,
susiwong

[SJ_Digriz]

I don't want to derail the thread, but I do appreciate the suggestions.

Almost impossible ITB imho, as Robin gets his sustain from sheer volume

Funny you should say that ... As I admitted with the clip, there is too much gain. I was trying to make up for the master level/drive that amp sims don't seem to be able to produce. Trying to get that harmonic feedback as the chords die out is a PITA with amp sims. Easy to do with an amp.

Anyhow, the point of the clip is that I had it lying around. It was ITB of an ampsim and I made no attempt to make it "a demo". Yet it is significantly more transparent and carries the tonal qualities of the amp. When I have it dialed in, it will stomp even that clip. Plus, I know there's 20+ of you guys on this board that can do 50x better than that without trying. So, why does a pro company let horribly produced demo clips represent there latest "KING OF TONE" creations? I don't get it.

[hibidy]

And why isn't anyone laughing at my rebecca black meme

Because I've never heard of her ?
I know her brothers though, Jack and Pitch.
Confused,
susiwong

[SJ_Digriz]

And why isn't anyone laughing at my rebecca black meme

Because I've never heard of her ?

Whatever you do, don't bother finding out who she is either. It will scare your psyche.

[susiwong]

I don't want to derail the thread, but I do appreciate the suggestions.

Almost impossible ITB imho, as Robin gets his sustain from sheer volume

Funny you should say that ... As I admitted with the clip, there is too much gain. I was trying to make up for the master level/drive that amp sims don't seem to be able to produce. Trying to get that harmonic feedback as the chords die out is a PITA with amp sims. Easy to do with an amp.

Anyhow, the point of the clip is that I had it lying around. It was ITB of an ampsim and I made no attempt to make it "a demo". Yet it is significantly more transparent and carries the tonal qualities of the amp.

Perfectly agreed, that's how I read your post.
And while it squarely adresses one of the main ampsim problems, you're right, let's keep it at that as far as this AT thread goes.
Looking forward to any similar exchange of experience though, in a more suitable thread or in private, SJ.
Guitar tone matters to me.
I'm constantly learning ...
Cheers,
susiwong

[SJ_Digriz]

After all that bashing, I think it only fair to say that I found AT3 to be a huge improvement in amp sims when it came out. I have had hours and hours of fun with it. It looks like some of the feature I have been wanting for MIDI control have been addressed in 3.5 and a few of the effects are very desirable. So, I have no doubts I will be getting a few of the modules and I will enjoy messing with them.

Just wanted to be clear that I'm not anti-AT3.5 just the clips.

[susiwong]

And why isn't anyone laughing at my rebecca black meme

Because I've never heard of her ?

Whatever you do, don't bother finding out who she is either. It will scare your psyche.

@ SJ, too late, just googled her.
And there I was, thinking nobody could beat that Monaco princess as far as talent free singing goes ...

@ hibidy,
better late than never, rotfl !

Cheers,
susiwong

[hibidy]

I didn't mind the sound of the guitar parts on the video though

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in case anyone is interested here is a youtube video someone did of a shootout between the Tiny Terror and Egnater Rebel, this clip encouraged me to walk into GC for the first time in several years becasue I had to try it for myself.