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efluon · Post by **efluon** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:45 pm

v2.01.16919 Hotfix is online

this fixes:
* Loop Overdub/Mix Recording Mode
* AudioBend Errors
* Melodyne Version Detection

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:07 pm

woodie wrote: And oh...one BIG TIME feature that just irks me = no dragging clips to the right to "duplicate" them. Seriously? This should have been in v1!! So you've got to press D or Shift-D to duplicate/share duplicate them? What year are we in? Come on people...Acid started that like 10-15 years ago and even Reaper does that, so out of all the 400 or 500 features you said you added in v2...THAT wasn't part of the v2 plan and it's right there in front of you - staring at you? As someone else said that I thought was hilarious - you're going to make me break the "D" key on my keyboard!! LOL

FWIW neither Cubase nor Reason 6 have this feature, to name two major programmes that instantly come to mind (there are no doubt others...)

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:13 pm

Now that the midi overdub thing has been corrected... try this after installing the new build.

1. Setup a loop of 4 bars or whatever.
2. Load up your drum sampler.
3. Hit record and just let it keep looping.
4. Play in a kick drum part or something.
5. Leave it in record, don't stop the transport, just let it keep looping.

Now double click on the part being recorded. You can actually go in an edit in the ME while it's recording, without dropping out of record. Adjust velocity, quantize, move notes around manually, whatever. Once you like your edits on the kick, go back and start tapping in a snare or something. You never have to drop out of record.

Pretty cool.

dgkenney · Post by **dgkenney** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:38 pm

headquest wrote:
woodie wrote: And oh...one BIG TIME feature that just irks me = no dragging clips to the right to "duplicate" them. Seriously? This should have been in v1!! So you've got to press D or Shift-D to duplicate/share duplicate them? What year are we in? Come on people...Acid started that like 10-15 years ago and even Reaper does that, so out of all the 400 or 500 features you said you added in v2...THAT wasn't part of the v2 plan and it's right there in front of you - staring at you? As someone else said that I thought was hilarious - you're going to make me break the "D" key on my keyboard!! LOL
FWIW neither Cubase nor Reason 6 have this feature, to name two major programmes that instantly come to mind (there are no doubt others...)

Nor PT - which uses "D" for duplicate and "alt R" for repeating a number of times - nice if you need 300 bars of something

BTW, I thought it was great that S1/2 has a built in template for PT key commands.

Dan

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:41 pm

I do have to give a nod to Cubase on the duplicate thing... they have a function called "fill loop" or something or other which will duplicate a clip or selection until the entire loop range has been filled up with it. One command fired to fill 200 bars or whatever.

I think I'll make that FR for S1.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:06 pm

Is it right that Studio One 2 cannot handle sysex messages? I tried to record a sysdump from my external hardware but with no effect. There is also nothing stated in the manual

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:13 pm

woodie wrote:Yep, already gave/giving v2 demo a run here and other than the Melodyne stuff (which I understand will not be exclusive to S1 anyway), I just don't see any compelling features/reasons to convince me to give 300 chips for a crossgrade as compared to the $40 I paid for Reaper, which is already a very capable host, if not more so than S1...just maybe not as "pretty" on install, but overall...does basically the same damn thing and with a huge support forum to boot.

Both hosts have their ups and downs, and both have features the other doesn't, but only one person can decide which is better for you. There is an extreme difference in workflow between the two, and tons of people do think that S1 V2 is more than worth the price. But no host is for everyone.

The first thing to hit me was navigating around S1.2 is slow/laggy, like a slight delay when clicking between the tracks with instruments loaded up on each, pulling up the GUI of the VSTs was also slow, so that got on my nerves quickly....then from there, I realized that I just am not digging the interface as much as I thought I would and the stuff you need to do in order to get things done.

Not sure why that is happening as it's very snappy for me and most other people. Different systems react differently with different software, but know that this is not something that everyone is experiencing. Honestly, it's never been an issue that has caused a stir at all.

For or a v1 release, though, this is not a good way to start especially after throwing a big hoo-ha online event 2 days ago and looking at their asking price they want me to pay to switch from Live/Reaper + that one badly missed feature (at minimal)....I don't think so folks. $300 bucks is not a big deal here, but it is for alot of people in this day of home hobby recording, so in an already saturated market of hosts, it's definitely an uphill battle....and wait until Logic 10 gets released for the Mac folks...then another party will start and then they'll leave this booth and head over to the Apple Booth for sure.

Again, it's down to the person. You seem to think it's not worth it. Great. Use Reaper and move on. It's a great host. But for many people, Studio One is a fantastic value, and the V2 update is as big as any other host does for major updates, and bigger than many. And let's not forget that it's only been around for TWO YEARS, and it already has plenty of pro level features along with a fantastic workflow not found elsewhere. Is this worth it to everyone? Nope. It seems to not fit you, which is just fine. But I'm getting the impression that maybe you haven't REALLY looked at all the new features in detail yet. Maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway...I don't know how fast Presonus has been updating S1, but those devs looked pretty worn out in that live stream.

Yeah, I would imagine so since it was later in the day for them since they live in Germany. And they have been working frantically to put out a great product, and they have succeeded. Being tired doesn't mean anything.

FWIW, Presonus has already updated hotfixes and updates since V2 came out. They do work pretty fast, and they add plenty of features during the lifespan of a version(they added tons of things during the V1 lifetime).

I hope you find the host that works for you. It seems that Reaper does. Studio One won't be for everyone, but I encourage you to look deeper at some things as there is so much more there than you seem to be thinking. It's a completely fully capable host that can hold it's own in the market, and it's one that is gaining ground every day. But if it's not for you, then it's not for you. Really simple!

Brent

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:16 pm

4damind wrote:Is it right that Studio One 2 cannot handle sysex messages? I tried to record a sysdump from my external hardware but with no effect. There is also nothing stated in the manual

I don't know.

It "recognizes" SysEx apparently because there is a tick box to filter them out of incoming midi in the monitor...

... but I've never actually tried to record SysEx in S1 to a track or do a dump like that so... I don't know.

Good question.

efluon · Post by **efluon** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:21 pm

nope. no sysex.

oops - wrong thread:
also another difference of live is the busing. in studio one you have a traditional way of busing / using inserts / sends, similar to hardware based solutions. in live you can go totally crazy and instantly create parallel insert chains and the like. for some this is a major thing. me i miss more the session viewm including envelope-only parts..

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:23 pm

efluon wrote:nope. no sysex.

also another difference of live is the busing. in studio one you have a traditional way of busing / using inserts / sends, similar to hardware based solutions. in live you can go totally crazy and instantly create parallel insert chains and the like. for some this is a major thing. me i miss more the session viewm including envelope-only parts..

They have said that more powerful routing is on the radar(unless I'm remembering incorrectly). Can't say how long it will be, but they do work fast, so you never know.

Brent

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:27 pm

LawrenceF wrote:
4damind wrote:Is it right that Studio One 2 cannot handle sysex messages? I tried to record a sysdump from my external hardware but with no effect. There is also nothing stated in the manual
I don't know.

It "recognizes" SysEx apparently because there is a tick box to filter them out of incoming midi in the monitor...

... but I've never actually tried to record SysEx in S1 to a track or do a dump like that so... I don't know.

Good question.

The Midi monitor is not working, it shows nothing but there is a midi activity with the red "LED"

I wrote a bug report.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:30 pm

efluon wrote:nope. no sysex.

Ooh? This is bad. No idea why they have a "system exclusive filter" in the Midi monitor if Studio One cannot handle this.. Hmm

efluon · Post by **efluon** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:33 pm

the filter is to be able to still be able to read meaningful messages when sysex is polluting the cable..

sysex does not lend itself to easy abstraction, as the uses for it vary that much. but i agree, it should be possible to explicitly record and playback uninterpreted sysex messages.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:35 pm

4damind wrote:
efluon wrote:nope. no sysex.
Ooh? This is bad. No idea why they have a "system exclusive filter" in the Midi monitor if Studio One cannot handle this.. Hmm

Well, if you're gonna "filter" midi for viewing you do have to account for everything in the stream. For example, my d8b uses SysEx in HUI mode I think so I might want to filter some of that out if I'm chasing some other message while troubleshooting or whatever.

But I agree with you ... I would think they'll eventually have to handle SysEx dumps along with some other stuff they haven't gotten to just yet.

It all takes time so there is still some stuff missing for certain groups of users, for sure.

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:32 pm

I looked on the forums but see no mention of site issues, are they aware of it or is only affecting a few people?

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