KVR Audio

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:01 am

Well, I expected a variety of answers, myself. Simply because we are dealing with a specific synth that I am guessing not many of us had a real acquaintance with.

I know enough about my Arp and Minimoog that I can almost say that since these things..when I bought them..were hand wired..would have just enough difference in tonal quality that it would be hard to peg which was which. Ergo...I usually did not get into these sorts of things myself.

@whyterabbyt...

randyandyvandaman · Post by **randyandyvandaman** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:08 am

Very good point, but in a way that's a separate issue. reason being, almost all media these days are digital, which means even analog synths (and all acoustic instruments) become "digital" when they are recorded. Consequently, what we would really be comparing would be the analog source within the digital domain, versus the digital source within the same domain.

hence the reason we record from A/D and mix down to D/A

Anyway is this analogue or digital.

Get a clasp on it or do I mean grasp

http://www.endlessanalog.com/what-is-clasp

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:16 am

I used to love AB listening tests, but I also do think it's true that the examples chosen may be biased (in the Jupiter 8 comparison, one example used way less PWM, making it sound thinner than the other and thus misleading)

I've worked out an idea for a few tests that are completely objective, because they are simple and not listening tests (our senses are simply too deceptive). I'm contemplating a video. We would for instance show that the amplitude and shape of the self oscillating filter varies between original, PSpice simulation, hardware replica and software emulations. This is a very simple and undeniably eye opening test. If an emulation fails here in an obvious way, it will also fail in less extreme settings. Other such tests deploy gain comparisons, harmonic series comparisons, comparisons on how the shape of the self oscillation develops under various waveforms and settings etc.

These are only falsifying tests though. A synth can not win. If it passes all tests then that only means that it hasn't failed to do the right thing, there's still no proof that it sounds the same.

However, I'm very reluctant to post our results because I have friends at certain companies (including hw manufacturers), and the results would be slightly "unfavourable"

Nighthawk77 · Post by **Nighthawk77** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:19 am

MaxSynths wrote:As far as I know that VST doesn't exists. Also the VST versions of sample based instruments (see Korg M1) sound different.

And the plugin contains the original samples and data. This is about as close as it gets.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:42 am

Analog is always better than digital. If a band use analog synths they will sound better, make better compositions, better lyrics, better performances and they will instantly get famous.

If they use softsynths, they will fail and try to compensate by engaging in lifelong discussions of irrelevant issues at KVR.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:46 am

IncarnateX wrote:Analog is always better than digital. If a band use analog synths they will sound better, make better compositions, better lyrics, better performances and they will instantly get famous.

If they use softsynths, they will fail and try to compensate by engaging in lifelong discussions of irrelevant issues at KVR.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:50 am

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:51 am

IncarnateX wrote:If they use softsynths, they will fail and try to compensate by engaging in lifelong discussions of irrelevant issues at KVR.

wonder why its teh analog-fetishits that always start the discussions here, though... hmmm.

no thats not a spelling error.

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:54 am

Here's my opinion about the software after demoing it - these are the same cheap whistling Reaktor filters, not much different from Vadim's examples. I've been using Reaktor since the Generator days.

http://soundcloud.com/izonin/opxfilt - OP-X Pro's own filter.

http://soundcloud.com/izonin/opxfab - Fabfilter Pro-Q's lowpass on OP-X's saw.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:59 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:If they use softsynths, they will fail and try to compensate by engaging in lifelong discussions of irrelevant issues at KVR.
wonder why its teh analog-fetishits that always start the discussions here, though... hmmm.

no thats not a spelling error.

I'm aguessin' they are feeling a mite bit defensive maybe?

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:00 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:If they use softsynths, they will fail and try to compensate by engaging in lifelong discussions of irrelevant issues at KVR.
wonder why its teh analog-fetishits that always start the discussions here, though... hmmm..

Well, maybe I got them confused, but that is irrelevant too: 28 pages on this issue without one decent flamewar, not even a temporary ban. What is the matter with you guys? Get to it.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:03 pm

IncarnateX wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:If they use softsynths, they will fail and try to compensate by engaging in lifelong discussions of irrelevant issues at KVR.
wonder why its teh analog-fetishits that always start the discussions here, though... hmmm..
Well, maybe I got them confused, but that is irrelevant too: 28 pages on this issue without one decent flamewar, not even a temporary ban. What is the matter with you guys? Get to it.

meh..to heck with flamewars...how about...

dreamkeeper · Post by **dreamkeeper** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:07 pm

And the answer is...

Of course it's the 3rd file in each pair that's the original. This is so obvious that it hurts! Y'all couldn't even hear the 3rd one, right? I beat you all, heheheheeeh!!! (Peter, you can PM me for the delivery address for the OB-X)

But... the REAL question is whether an analogue emulation of KVR could be as hilarious as the original - think about it!

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:11 pm

trimph1 wrote:meh..to heck with flamewars...how about...

analog vs digital bitchfest? well, first i was like

but then I was like

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:15 pm

Peter, might be an idea to post the answers before the inevitable lock...

indistinguishable from hardware ??