KVR Audio

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:41 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:Yes, it is definitely a tough business. But as with any tough market, those with sought-after products manage to thrive.

Europe in general is not a very inviting place for such small enterprises. Everything here has become so complicated. Not sure if it is the same in the US by now.

I suspect tax burden in US is not comparable, especially for small business. And bureaucracy also.

fluffy_little_something · Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:44 pm

fmr wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:Yes, it is definitely a tough business. But as with any tough market, those with sought-after products manage to thrive.

Europe in general is not a very inviting place for such small enterprises. Everything here has become so complicated. Not sure if it is the same in the US by now.
I suspect tax burden in US is not comparable, especially for small business. And bureaucracy also.

Isn't discoDSP from Britain? I read today that Britain plans to turn itself into a tax paradise after a hard Brexit. So George might benefit from the Brexit. I assume he can still sell his stuff abroad like before.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:54 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:PS: Just noticed that Corona has several GUI sizes now, that's good news

And you can toggle the black < > white colors of the GUI.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:12 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:
fmr wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:Yes, it is definitely a tough business. But as with any tough market, those with sought-after products manage to thrive.

Europe in general is not a very inviting place for such small enterprises. Everything here has become so complicated. Not sure if it is the same in the US by now.
I suspect tax burden in US is not comparable, especially for small business. And bureaucracy also.
Isn't discoDSP from Britain? I read today that Britain plans to turn itself into a tax paradise after a hard Brexit. So George might benefit from the Brexit. I assume he can still sell his stuff abroad like before.

As far as I can remember, George and DiscoDSP are in Italy. And the payment agency is Digital River, at Köln in Germany.

fluffy_little_something · Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:34 pm

It seems like they deliberately try to keep things anonymous on their site, even though EU laws require any business in the EU to state their name, street address and contact info on their site, even VAT number if I am not mistaken. (All that in order to protect the customer and enable legal action if necessary.)

Lejurai · Post by **Lejurai** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:37 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:Personally, I guess I would be more interested in Corona... Unfortunately, its GUI is not very usable in my view. The Discovery Pro interface looks much better to me, although a bit confusing at first. But it is better on the eyes.

PS: Just noticed that Corona has several GUI sizes now, that's good news

Several sizes and 2 different ui colors

And supersaw is somehow very pleasing. Far from perfect "clean" unison but it invites to make some 90's trance

But what I especially like, is those different ways to combine the oscillators. Very unique sounds.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:47 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:It seems like they deliberately try to keep things anonymous on their site, even though EU laws require any business in the EU to state their name, street address and contact info on their site, even VAT number if I am not mistaken. (All that in order to protect the customer and enable legal action if necessary.)

Against the law and generally not good imo, here in Germany a warning letter can cost them 50.000€ for that.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:50 pm

BlackWinny wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote: Isn't discoDSP from Britain? I read today that Britain plans to turn itself into a tax paradise after a hard Brexit. So George might benefit from the Brexit. I assume he can still sell his stuff abroad like before.
As far as I can remember, George and DiscoDSP are in Italy. And the payment agency is Digital River, at Köln in Germany.

AFAIK, George is spanish (catalan, to be more precise). As was Arguru

I bit the bullet and bought the Discovery Pro upgrade, BTW. This was mostly because George picked up OB-Xd

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:38 pm

Yes, Lejurai, Corona, as well as Discovery Pro, is really a beast and the result of a huge work for a single man.

To make the things short... just a few bunch of images just about the very special possibilities of the three Corona VCOs (you can click to enlarge each image):

Corona - The combinations-modulations between the oscillators:

Corona - The comprehensive list of the conventional waveforms of EACH oscillator:

Corona - The comprehensive list of the 'Factory' additional waveforms of EACH oscillator:

Corona - The comprehensive list of the 'Classic' (vintage) waveforms of EACH oscillator provided with the synth and installed with it by the installer:

Corona - My Galbanum wavetables (for the song I'm currently working on)

Corona - My Quasar Sounds Mellotron SF2 (again for the song I'm currently working on)

And we have not yet talked about the filters ! All that, above, concerns only the possibilities of the three oscillators !!!

The synths made by George are totally underrated. And I'm a bit tired by the people who complain about the extra to pay without having even probably never dived in depth in all the huge possibilities of his synths! Sorry for those who complain because George asks sometimes for a little extra in order to be able to keep his ultra-small company alive, but his synths all worth the money at a point that they probably don't realize!

And to terminate this post, here is the black GUI:

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:49 pm

Damn... You definitely shouldn't have shown that

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:53 pm

fmr wrote:Damn... You definitely shouldn't have shown that

surreal · Post by **surreal** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:27 am

Thank you George for the 6.4 version of Discovery Pro in our accounts.. will update to 6.6 when I have some money later in the month.

Regards
Surreal

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:52 am

A nice touch would have been an update for 10€ after this terrible mess. Now we still have to deal with the strange price increase of 29€ for the small update and therefore to pay 15€ in the sale what before was 19€ without sale.

Can only hope the next little 0.1 update doesn't increase the high price further. We will see what comes next.

I don't trust this dev anymore after the whole trouble he caused and as fluffy pointed out no legal notice etc. on the dev site isn't very confident as well.

Lejurai · Post by **Lejurai** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:29 am

murnau wrote:A nice touch

I'm sorry murnau but you are seriously being a bitch now. If it was 50+ € from a.. Something useless? I'd understand you but but whining over 19€? Or even 29€?

Seriously..

I'd pay that 19€ over a gui update.

His updating pricing thingys can be little interesting at times but still. Some respect to the tools he provides.
Maybe he should get rid of the whole version numbering and start selling new features and skins and stuff.

"Discovery pro has new filter models, skin and optimized code. Yours for 29€only".

When it's not tied to a number, angry kvrians don't feel the pressure to own the latest build number and can decide if they need that latest addition.

Doesn't tone2 actually do that? They have the basic synth, synth receives bugfixes but if you want for example new wavesets, you need to buy a pack that has them?

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:51 am

I have no problem with paying for updates when it is been transparent right from the start. I remember that 6.4 was suddenly disappeard in my account (now when it is back thats good, better it never been gone) then the 6.5 update for 19€ was announced with the promise to go on sale soon. As the sale come there was a price increase to 29€ (that what we have to deal with now). Sorry if i hurt any feelings but thats not the way i like to deal when it comes to "sales" and then this mess now with free update to 7 for 6.x owners which never will happen.. I mean sorry???? Why all the misinformation here???? Terrible to deal with really.

Discovery Pro synthesizer 6.4 to 8.0