Now Hive is here, is it RIP Sylenth?

[Tricky-Loops]

One thing i miss in HIVE is option for more voices for each oscillator, the bass oscillators can only have 1 voice which is a bit limiting if you are used to sylenth1.

You can set the sub osc to "like osc", then it has as much unison voices as the main osc. It has the same waveform then, so it is not as flexible as Sylenth1, but in a lot of cases that's not needed anyway.

I went through hundreds, maybe thousands of supersaw presets, not just from Sylenth. From what I saw there weren't any in my batch that required more than 2 different waveforms in unison. After that I thought "ok, we can do this" because there's hardly a case where anything else is required.

Aren't you in Australia, are you testing new waveforms?

[Urs]

Aren't you in Australia, are you testing new waveforms?

Mostly relaxing, really

[KingTuck]

Aren't you in Australia, are you testing new waveforms?

Mostly relaxing, really

Given the hectic year u-he has had that's probably well deserved!

[layzer]

With the arrival of Hive will you be saying goodbye to Sylenth??

only if everyone deletes all vsts except hive from their DAW, which i seriously doubt.

[wagtunes]

I need extra popcorn for this thread. LOL.

In short, it's not the synth. It's the person using it. So if the music being made with Hive or Sylenth or whatever sounds like crap, blame the person making the music and not the synth.

If you listen to the Hive OSC, you will find one classical type piece that is absolutely gorgeous. Yes, made with Hive. Go figure.

I chuckle at the people who bash a synth because the music being made isn't their cup of tea.

Here's a suggestion. Worry about the music that YOU make and add something positive to the music community instead of tearing things down because you've got a bug up your ass. If I think a certain genre of music is getting "lazy" and not doing what it CAN do to be great, I do what I can to change the perception but I don't waste my time and energy bashing things, whether I like the music or not.

It isn't productive and accomplishes nothing.

[chk071]

In short, it's not the synth. It's the person using it.

I can only repeat what i posted in another thread: Why don't people just use Synth1 then, and be happy with it for the rest of their lifes? Of course the synth matters. And what highly matters if your personal preference. I gave Hive another shot yesterday, after checking out the first public beta. Didn't click with me at all (again), so i uninstalled it right away. Dunno, it's just not for me. And people who can't hear a difference to Sylenth1, Dune 2 or Spire need to get a hearing test, sorry. Filters are different, envelopes are very different. Even the raw saw sounds different. First time i open up Hive, it always reminds me of Tyrell N6. Sounds alomst identical. And the filters characteristic is just not my cup of tea, the clean engine comes closest (the others distort too much for my liking), but still no cigar. It's extremely subjective of course, feel free to disagree.

That said, if you don't like Hive, there's surely better words to express your discontent than the ones in the above post.

[wagtunes]

In short, it's not the synth. It's the person using it.

I can only repeat what i posted in another thread: Why don't people just use Synth1 then, and be happy with it for the rest of their lifes? Of course the synth matters. And what highly matters if your personal preference. I gave Hive another shot yesterday, after checking out the first public beta. Didn't click with me at all (again), so i uninstalled it right away. Dunno, it's just not for me. And people who can't hear a difference to Sylenth1, Dune 2 or Spire need to get a hearing test, sorry. Filters are different, envelopes are very different. Even the raw saw sounds different. First time i open up Hive, it always reminds me of Tyrell N6. Sounds alomst identical. And the filters characteristic is just not my cup of tea, the clean engine comes closest (the others distort too much for my liking), but still no cigar. It's extremely subjective of course, feel free to disagree.

That said, if you don't like Hive, there's surely better words to express your discontent than the ones in the above post.

Let me clarify a few things.

1) I never said synths aren't different. Not every synth is capable of making every sound. That's not the issue.

2) Yes, synth "likes" are subjective. There is no such thing as a good or bad synth. But if you're trying to get granular type sounds out of a mini moog emulation, you're in for a world of disappointment.

What I said is no more or less than what it is. You will get out of a synth what you put into it. If you buy a synth because it's "made" for EDM or whatever genre it's been stereotyped into, and look no farther than the presets, then yes, that's what you'll get out of it, good or bad. No, you may not be able to make granular soundscapes, based on the limitations of the architecture, but that doesn't mean you can't make decent music with it.

Most of the popular synths today, outside of the fringe rarities like Cycle, Mangle, etc. are pretty standard fare. So given sound "quality" is subjective, you can just as easily do EDM with Hive as you can with Sylenth and vice versa. On a purely technical level (again, sound quality is subjective) I find no difference between them.

In a mix, I guarantee you that after processing, compression, limiting and all the other crap that most people throw onto their tracks, that you probably couldn't tell which sounds were Hive and which sounds were Sylenth. In fact, if I posted a track of 20 different synths in a mix right now, you couldn't in a million years identify each one. I don't care how good you are at "identifying" them because any synth can be made to sound different based on what you do to and with it.

And yes, you can call my bluff and I'll be more than happy to post a track later on and we'll see how many people identify even ONE of the 20 synths in the mix.

There is way too much chest pumping (my synth is better than your synth) in this business. Unless we're talking about the difference between a $200 VST and something made with SynthEdit back in 2005, I seriously doubt you can hear major differences in most of the top synths today in the context of a finished mix outside of the few synths that can simply make sounds that no other synths can make.

But those are few and far between.

[chk071]

Most of the popular synths today, outside of the fringe rarities like Cycle, Mangle, etc. are pretty standard fare. So given sound "quality" is subjective, you can just as easily do EDM with Hive as you can with Sylenth and vice versa.

I disagree. Take a look at some soundsets, and you may find (or not, i certainly do) that there are synths you can easily squeeze out genre typical sounds of, and there are synths which give you a hard time doing so. Even when the sound demos are heavily processed, you will hear the difference. It may subtle, but you'll hear it. I've been comparing a lot of synth plugins regarding what the supersaw sounds like for example, and it's day and night on some plugins. To me it more sounds like people who are not into these type of sounds, or the music, just put a label on it, and say you're able to make these type of sounds with every synths, because it doesn't mean or say anything to them. Well, wrong. It matters just like on every other genre, maybe even more, because the "typical sounds" are indeed very typical.

[wagtunes]

Most of the popular synths today, outside of the fringe rarities like Cycle, Mangle, etc. are pretty standard fare. So given sound "quality" is subjective, you can just as easily do EDM with Hive as you can with Sylenth and vice versa.

I disagree. Take a look at some soundsets, and you may find (or not, i certainly do) that there are synths you can easily squeeze out genre typical sounds of, and there are synths which give you a hard time doing so. Even when the sound demos are heavily processed, you will hear the difference. It may subtle, but you'll hear it. I've been comparing a lot of synth plugins regarding what the supersaw sounds like for example, and it's day and night on some plugins. To me it more sounds like people who are not into these type of sounds, or the music, just put a label on it, and say you're able to make these type of sounds with every synths, because it doesn't mean or say anything to them. Well, wrong. It matters just like on every other genre, maybe even more, because the "typical sounds" are indeed very typical.

Well, you can disagree all you like. Doesn't make it fact.

Do you mean to tell me that musicians haven't created "good sounding" EDM tracks with both Sylenth1 and Hive? I find that hard to believe.

Subtle differences. So what? Who is really going to know the difference outside of the musician himself? Do you think your listening audience can tell if you used Hive or Sylenth1?

Again, I can post a track here with 20 different synths and I guarantee you that you won't be able to tell even ONE of them with any certainty. Processing, arrangement and what have you can make up for a lot of "shortcomings".

Again, yeah, some synths can't make some sounds AT ALL. But if you're telling me that Hive and Sylenth can't, within reason, produce the same music with the same relative level of professionalism, then you are simply being biased.

Want to call my bluff? I'll whip up a track right now that will have a lot of people eating crow about their precious "can't be touched" synth when they find out some of the "garbage" I use to make music.

If you're so sure, put your money where your mouth is. Let me here the same track with Sylenth1 and Hive and see how much horribly worse the Hive version is.

[chk071]

Of course you can make the same sounds with both, and of course you'd be able to make a decent EDM track with both, that's not the point. Why do people buy a Virus for 2000 €? Because they'd be able to make the same sounds on Synth1? Of course it's thex extra 5% cream on the cake, but that 5% extra often makes for an awesome or a good track. That's all i want to say. And yes, most EDM soundbanks for Sylenth1 sound better than the ones for Z3TA 2 or Dune 1. That i can definitely say. Even Spire, which is a very popular synth for EDM soundbanks now doesn't quite reach the nice supersaw sound Sylenth has. It's really fkn A+ for that. IMO, and obviously in many others opionion too.

[fluffy_little_something]

One thing I don't like about Sylenth is the sound of the 12db lp filter, thus I always use the 24db one, which sounds very nice.

[wagtunes]

Of course you can make the same sounds with both, and of course you'd be able to make a decent EDM track with both, that's not the point. Why do people buy a Virus for 2000 €? Because they'd be able to make the same sounds on Synth1? Of course it's thex extra 5% cream on the cake, but that 5% extra often makes for an awesome or a good track. That's all i want to say. And yes, most EDM soundbanks for Sylenth1 sound better than the ones for Z3TA 2 or Dune 1. That i can definitely say. Even Spire, which is a very popular synth for EDM soundbanks now doesn't quite reach the nice supersaw sound Sylenth has. It's really fkn A+ for that. IMO, and obviously in many others opionion too.

And that's all it is, opinion. Again, sound quality is subjective. And if the only thing that ultimately matters at the end is your audience dancing or whatever it is they're doing when listening to your track of music, as long as they like it, then who cares what synth you use?

I'm sure there are just as many people who like Hive over Sylenth1 as their are those who like Sylenth1 over Hive.

Guess what? None of it means squat. What ultimately matters, and this is what I said up top above all else, is the music itself and whether or not people like it.

I can take your precious Sylenth1 and make a track that can be flat out awful, if I have the talent of a watermelon and at the same time make a track with Hive that flat out kicks ass if I'm Deadmau.

Again, it is not the synth. It is the person using the synth.

But believe what you want if it makes you feel better.

[chk071]

Of course you can make the same sounds with both, and of course you'd be able to make a decent EDM track with both, that's not the point. Why do people buy a Virus for 2000 €? Because they'd be able to make the same sounds on Synth1? Of course it's thex extra 5% cream on the cake, but that 5% extra often makes for an awesome or a good track. That's all i want to say. And yes, most EDM soundbanks for Sylenth1 sound better than the ones for Z3TA 2 or Dune 1. That i can definitely say. Even Spire, which is a very popular synth for EDM soundbanks now doesn't quite reach the nice supersaw sound Sylenth has. It's really fkn A+ for that. IMO, and obviously in many others opionion too.

And that's all it is, opinion. Again, sound quality is subjective. And if the only thing that ultimately matters at the end is your audience dancing or whatever it is they're doing when listening to your track of music, as long as they like it, then who cares what synth you use?

I'm sure there are just as many people who like Hive over Sylenth1 as their are those who like Sylenth1 over Hive.

Guess what? None of it means squat. What ultimately matters, and this is what I said up top above all else, is the music itself and whether or not people like it.

I can take your precious Sylenth1 and make a track that can be flat out awful, if I have the talent of a watermelon and at the same time make a track with Hive that flat out kicks ass if I'm Deadmau.

Again, it is not the synth. It is the person using the synth.

But believe what you want if it makes you feel better.

I guess we can safely say then that Hive will be a replacement for Sylenth, for people who think every subtractive synth sounds very similar. And we can also safely say then that Hive won't be a replacement for Sylenth for people who think they all sound different, slightly, or obvious. So i think the definite answer would be a yesno. Or in other words, i know that i know nothing. Let's keep discussing then.

Btw, just want to add this: Both Hive and Sylenth1 cost about 150 €. For me, i'd best be really sure about the sound, and if it suits me. If both could do the same at the same quality, i'd have no reason to buy one if i already own the other. Just another point to keep in mind, at least for me.

[fluffy_little_something]

I'll keep waiting for Sylenth 2, maybe the empire will strike back

[wagtunes]

Of course you can make the same sounds with both, and of course you'd be able to make a decent EDM track with both, that's not the point. Why do people buy a Virus for 2000 €? Because they'd be able to make the same sounds on Synth1? Of course it's thex extra 5% cream on the cake, but that 5% extra often makes for an awesome or a good track. That's all i want to say. And yes, most EDM soundbanks for Sylenth1 sound better than the ones for Z3TA 2 or Dune 1. That i can definitely say. Even Spire, which is a very popular synth for EDM soundbanks now doesn't quite reach the nice supersaw sound Sylenth has. It's really fkn A+ for that. IMO, and obviously in many others opionion too.

And that's all it is, opinion. Again, sound quality is subjective. And if the only thing that ultimately matters at the end is your audience dancing or whatever it is they're doing when listening to your track of music, as long as they like it, then who cares what synth you use?

I'm sure there are just as many people who like Hive over Sylenth1 as their are those who like Sylenth1 over Hive.

Guess what? None of it means squat. What ultimately matters, and this is what I said up top above all else, is the music itself and whether or not people like it.

I can take your precious Sylenth1 and make a track that can be flat out awful, if I have the talent of a watermelon and at the same time make a track with Hive that flat out kicks ass if I'm Deadmau.

Again, it is not the synth. It is the person using the synth.

But believe what you want if it makes you feel better.

I guess we can safely say then that Hive will be a replacement for Sylenth, for people who think every subtractive synth sounds very similar. And we can also safely say then that Hive won't be a replacement for Sylenth for people who think they all sound different, slightly, or obvious. So i think the definite answer would be a yesno. Or in other words, i know that i know nothing. Let's keep discussing then.

Btw, just want to add this: Both Hive and Sylenth1 cost about 150 €. For me, i'd best be really sure about the sound, and if it suits me. If both could do the same at the same quality, i'd have no reason to buy one if i already own the other. Just another point to keep in mind, at least for me.

And that's pretty much how it is with just about every product on the planet. I absolutely HATED the DX7. I still hate it. But damn, sure had a lot of records made with it, including Chicago's "Hard Habit To Break." I mean for God's sake, if you wanted a Rhodes sound why not just use a Rhodes instead of a cheesy sound-alike?

And there were other "big" synths that I personally hated like the CS-80. Yeah, that thing. I thought it sounded like a sick accordion.

But that's just me. It's just my opinion. And yeah, I had a DX7. Wish i never did, but whatever.

If everybody liked the same thing, we'd have one synth for each genre and that would be the end of it. But it's not. The competition is off the charts in most areas. I'm still waiting for a modular that totally blows my mind but somehow I feel that it's not going to happen, at least not in the software realm.

Oh, and for the record, I think Sylenth sounds great. I don't own it because it's 32 bit and I don't buy synths that are only 32 bit unless they are dirt cheap. Have had too many 32 bit synths simply not work on my PC. But otherwise, sound wise, it's a fine synth and I have nothing against it.