Roland JV-1080 finally, as virtual instrument!

[tedannemann]

Sometimes it’s really crazy in these forums. People claim to hear a difference between different series of synth production batches or converters or filter editions but can’t hear that Roland, Korg or Yamaha use the same f**king samples in nearly all of their romplers or virtual instruments since the dawn of time. No matter if this is a Korg M1, Oasys, Kronos or even their PA arranger keybord series, usually more than half of the sound sources are based on the same sample material. Yamaha uses the same sample stock in a PSR arranger keybord, Motif, Montage, Tyros or Halion Sonic. Sure, they always add new samples, but only in small portions. Everything else purely relies on patch programming, effects or architecture related stuff. Steinberg even endorsed the Halion Sonic piano as Yamaha S90 piano somewhere around Cubase 6…
No need for this kind of simple-minded proof. Just play any of these instruments side by side without fx and even the dumbest can hear the similarities...

That's right - they called it S90 and this is it. It sounds similar to the S700 piano in the S90ES. but nothing sounds similar with the rest of the samples in HS2SE.

if you think that the Korg M1 uses the same base samples as the Kronos, and a stock midpriced Yamaha PSR arranger uses or even shares the same base samples as the Montage or Genos, best of luck to you.


btw, regarding your Korg statement -

Let me inform you that the Korg PA4X (their TOTL arranger) and the Korg Kronos (their TOTL workstation) don't share a SINGLE waveform between them. not only that, they're being independently developed by different Korg teams worldwide.

That's not saying that the MicroKorg is not a rehash of sounds from the Korg Triton, as the Yamaha MX line is a rehash of the XS sounds - and proudly so.

I am not Ingonator and I don't really have the time to prove it, but I will do a few examples for the sake of it...

[zzz00m]

Sometimes it’s really crazy in these forums. People claim to hear a difference between different series of synth production batches or converters or filter editions but can’t hear that Roland, Korg or Yamaha use the same f**king samples in nearly all of their romplers or virtual instruments since the dawn of time. No matter if this is a Korg M1, Oasys, Kronos or even their PA arranger keybord series, usually more than half of the sound sources are based on the same sample material. Yamaha uses the same sample stock in a PSR arranger keybord, Motif, Montage, Tyros or Halion Sonic. Sure, they always add new samples, but only in small portions. Everything else purely relies on patch programming, effects or architecture related stuff. Steinberg even endorsed the Halion Sonic piano as Yamaha S90 piano somewhere around Cubase 6…
No need for this kind of simple-minded proof. Just play any of these instruments side by side without fx and even the dumbest can hear the similarities...

I have the original Roland JV-1080, which used a compressed sample format to fit the ROM into a few MBs of memory.

The biggest difference now is that memory is cheap and plentiful, so regardless if the high quality original samples may be the same (and they may be not), the current hardware and software can use the fullest sample rate and bit depth of the source material to produce the highest quality sound reproduction possible.

[jacqueslacouth]

I'll chip in with my pointless 2 cents worth.

I have had the MO6 and the MOXF6 and own HS3. To my ratchet ears (and I admit this freely), I found the sounds of the two MOs to be similar enough to HS3 that they were really not worth hanging onto. This was a recent decision as I finally went completely ITB.

But to be clear, and to avoid the normal KVR onslaught of vitriol and indignation, this was my interpretation, with damaged hearing and I claim absolutely NO proof that the "similarity" is based on sameness. I mean, by my logic, it seems unlikely that the megabytes of waves in the MOXF are identical to the Gb in HS3, but it does demonstrate how clever these dudes who make the workstations are.

[ftech]

I understand for something like Adobe who is always adding more features, but I doubt they will update the plugins constantly based on user feedback.

Except, Roland have been updating the subscription plugins.

[jacqueslacouth]

I understand for something like Adobe who is always adding more features, but I doubt they will update the plugins constantly based on user feedback.

Except, Roland have been updating the subscription plugins.

Agreed, what's more, as I see it, they are regularly adding new products. (not that I'm into their sub model, but it seems to be similar to Adobe in adding new features by my reckoning)

[Fer0x]

As I understand it the JV 1080 has a complete bank of General MIDI presets. Does anyone know if it is possible to use the JV 1080 VST as a GM output device through VST MIDI Driver / SAVIHost etc just as you're able to do with the Sound Canvas VST or Yamaha S-YXG50?

The GM side isn't emulated at all. The XV-5080 also has a GM bank, which isn't in the plugin. I've had some other pressing things to do recently so haven't made much further progress on the convertor, but I should be back on it soon - I'll take a look at whether the GM stuff can be emulated - until then, if you're on the Cloud, you have access to the Sound Canvas plugin, which is essentially the same thing in GM format.

Is there any chance, to convert Integra SVD files to jv 1080 cloud?
Recently, Roland announce signature Janne Wirman sounds collection for Integra (on Roland's Axial)
As I know, the most part of them should based on jv-1080.
Let me know, if you have any ideas about conversion.

[beely]

Is there any chance, to convert Integra SVD files to jv 1080 cloud?

I did have a quick look a the SVD format (that's how my XV-5080 banks are stored on a smart media card in the 5080) but decided the (documented) sysex format was the way to go...

Recently, Roland announce signature Janne Wirman sounds collection for Integra (on Roland's Axial)
As I know, the most part of them should based on jv-1080.
Let me know, if you have any ideas about conversion.

It probably depends if those sounds use the Supernatural engine, which is the whole other engine in the Integra, different from the 5080 engine stuff. And if they are not in sysex format in the first place, then it adds extra difficulty, so probably not...

[EvilDragon]

I'm pretty sure they're not using the SN engine, because Janne Wirman's most famous sounds all come from a JV-2080 pretty much.

[kmonkey]

And on top of everything i am pretty sure Roland developers and product managers and complete Roland company actually is making harakiri because they are reading this KVR thread and since they care a lot about what few "KVR forum product specialist" says -now they are depressed and now they are doing group harakiri.


edit: update...yep...that's it. They re gone. Meaning end of Roland as we know it..

[beely]

I'm pretty sure they're not using the SN engine, because Janne Wirman's most famous sounds all come from a JV-2080 pretty much.

Bells, strings, harpsichords, pianos... isn't there enough of this stuff already!

Maybe someone with an Integra can load the patches and then sysex dump them out..?

Edit: Looking at the readme:

Code: Select all

This data contains the following sounds that utilize
the built-in functionality of the INTEGRA-7.

 21 Studio Sets
  5 Synth Tones

 - To play the sound data correctly, you should load SRX-06 and SRX-07 into
   EXPANSION Virtual Slot in advance.

So it needs SRX expansions to work (so a no go for the plugin, and the plugin also doesn't support Studio Sets, so it seems a lot of effort for five patches...

[Syntza]

Long time since I have been here but happy to see Roland released their most selling digital synth, JV-1080 Used the hardware for years and it has a great sonic textures that can blend in nicely even today. The mid-range has a unique character and a good low end and yes it's cloudy at the top but makes it great for those darker ambient stuff etc. I will never sell those.

Here is a song with a John Carpenter'ish vibe to it made with two 1080's. Hope you all will get the most out of the VST version(and hardware).

[yul]

Have any of these plugins been made available as a purchase instead of subscription?

[EvilDragon]

Nope.

[djanthonyw]

Have any of these plugins been made available as a purchase instead of subscription?

Sample any of them during the 30 day trial, or sign up for additional trial periods with different email addresses.

The only reason why these companies are getting away with a subscription model is because suckers are telling them that it's ok to rent software by consenting with their wallets.

[zzz00m]

I don't know why anybody falls for the subscription trap. It's a downward spiral!

I would gladly sell my JV1080 hardware if I could buy the plugin.