Studio One 6

[Bartone]

Why do you think people with less money should not make music?

I certainly did not say people with less money should not "make music". I did say that the entire scope of digital recording (DAWs, plugs, hardware etc etc) can be an endless money pit and that anyone who chooses to enter this scene and then complains that things (like Studio One upgrades) are "big money" - might consider picking a different hobby.

And on this:

Seems some people find it hard to understand that even something you think is "small" monay can be big money for others.

To be honest I really don't care if anyone else can afford it OR what how the price sits with them. I worry about whether I think I can afford it and if it's worth it. If I like it - I buy it. If I do not like it - I don't buy it. Simple.

And as others have mentioned - there is no requirement/entitlement for those on smaller budgets to keep pace with anyone. Matter of fact - even though I can afford my Studio One upgrade - no one is twisting my arm either - being on v6 is not a requirement for anyone and no one is forcing anyone to upgrade either.

Seems you are confused about new and shiny and auditing your budget. If you can afford an upgrade - buy it, enjoy and keep on keeping on. But if you can't afford it - please don't come in here complaining about pricing and dropping sad sack comments about how some folks are suddenly "lucky" to be able to afford something and others are - well I guess unlucky?

Jeez - I almost take offense to you thinking I am "lucky" because I work hard, do my thing with purpose and get paid. I mean cmon dude.

VP

Many people work very hard, have great purpose but still only little money. There are many factors affecting this: maybe the salaries are lower in different countries, electricity is more pricey and salary goes to pay the energy bills etc. I call it luck when people born in countries where the situation is better than in other country. Maybe there is better word for it in English? Let me know Anyways you should not take offense on me, it's not my vault the World is how it is.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

True, although, at some point it is likely that you will have to upgrade, especially when you're on a Mac computer and an OS or hardware which breaks compatibility with older software.

True dat - but a completely different scenario. I am on Windows for that exact reason. I can choose to stay or play at any time and run any hardware I want on any reasonably recent OS until I run that hardware into the ground. And run any version of S1 I want as well.

Mac users have unique challenges but that really has nothing to do with Presonus really. Any Mac regardless of age or OS version "should" continue to run whatever is on it until the wheels fall off.

It's that ole "itch" of upgrading that starts the trouble (and $$$)

VP

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I call it luck when people born in countries where the situation is better than in other country. Maybe there is better word for it in English? Let me know Anyways you should not take offense on me, it's not my vault the World is how it is.

Look - I get it. And yes - you may be located in a part of the world where things are different. Where it's tougher to make ends meet etc. No problem.

But in the end - it's on you to make things as good as they can be - wherever you are located. That's all I can offer.

Keep on rockin and happy new year!

VP

[jinotsuh]

I want to state emphatically that here (Canada) I have paid exactly $149.00 dollars for every S1 upgrade since V1->V2.

Yes, as far as I can recall, during my time, v3 forwards $149 has always been the price, I didn't pay that price, maybe the first time, not sure, but as this time it was always something like $115 on release from 3rd partry, Best Service.

[Bartone]

I also say, Presonus is giving discount to NEW customers only at this point. It is different than before Fender when also old customers did get the discount. They are facts, how things are.

Fender (or no Fender) - unless it's massively different to upgrade in different parts of the world - I want to state emphatically that here (Canada) I have paid exactly $149.00 dollars for every S1 upgrade since V1->V2.

Same price - static for 10+ years? I mean who does that? How can this be a bad thing?

That said - if there is some sort of crazy wild pricing model for S1 upgrades that I am not aware of - please enlighten me.

VP

I think the discounts have been same all over the world, but not 100 sure. I have seen the discount (for old users and new users) have been sometime ago maybe 2019 or 2020 -50%, then 30% and this year it was -25% but only for new users. Or is this info wrong, and there has not been discount for old users before? I am not sure,I have read this info from reddit and here kvr.

[tonedef71]

pure unadulterated endless pit of spending

May I use this (verbatim, or a derivative thereof) as a song title?

You may.

VP

Thank you.

I requested an A.I. art generator to create some digital artwork for that phrase which I could then use as cover art for the track. Here is one of the images it generated:


Now I just need to create a track to go with the title and artwork.

[BONES]

However, I will even create a whole string section made up of solo SWAM instruments, placed on a stage together with Virtual Sound Stage 2. I have gotten up to 25 players, and I could go even further. The downside is it is a lot of work, though you can take shortcuts by copying and pasting automation data and then distorting it with Studio One's transform tool in the MIDI editor, to add some variation. In a direct A/B comparison to a sampled string section, the SWAM virtual ensemble still sounds just as realistic, but more agile and visceral, and a lot less rote or canned.

Or you could use something sample-based, played by top-tier musicians, be done with it in minutes and no-one would know the difference. Just have a listen to the last section of this video, from 3:16, and tell me how long it would take you to get close to what this does at the press of a single key. I'm perfectly happy to leave all the hard work to the professionals and pay them for the privilege of working with their output. It's really just collaboration.



At work, sometimes I go to the Novo web-page and put the demos on loop for an hour or two. It's great stuff and Novo Essentials is on sale several times a year for less than $100.

If you want to hear how we use them, skip to the 3:00 minute mark in this video.

Some people talk it is not big money to buy Studio One update full price vs wait for didcounted update price. But for some people that so called small money can be big money, especially now.

Who cares about those people? I'm more likely to care about starving children in Africa than give a flying f**k about some idiot who can't scrape $100 together to update the software running on their high-powered computer sitting in their well decorated bedroom with a comfy mattress and central heating. And, for the record, I do not care at all about starving children in Africa.

I just checked, and I got Studio One Pro 6 upgrade on release for $115.71, the best now, 3 months on, seems to be $104, is the 3 month wait really worth it for $10? Personally I would say not, but that's my opinion for my circumstances, ymmv of course.

Why? What value have you got from it? I upgraded my Artist license when it came out and I can't say that I have had any value at all from that decision. Putting it off for a month or two to save a few bucks definitely seems worth it to me. I'd have put it off longer, except having one machine on v6 and the other still on v5 has started to become problematic. Mind you, I bought the upgrade a couple of days ago but I still haven't installed it. I probably won't until I need to load something saved from the other machine, which could be several more weeks.

[tonedef71]

If you want to hear how we use them, skip to the 3:00 minute mark in this video.

That is an edgy cool track. It has that je ne sais quoi electro/industrial/punk vibe going on.

And, for the record, I do not care at all about starving children in Africa.

Oof.

[jinotsuh]

Why? What value have you got from it?

Well there are many and varying reasons, it's likely the cheapest I'd be able to get it for for a good while, if not right up until v7 is approaching the runway, 10, 20 dollars either way is really of no concern (to me, ymmv) some things I like to stay up to date with, my DAW is one of them, bug fixes, stability, performance etc, none of which I have had an issue with since v3, but . . . I guess a bit like why do I get the old SS serviced on time every time, apart from warranty reasons, alas since Holden bit the dust I can't get a new one every year now, but I digress, on top of that there are always 1 or 2 new features that I like and find come in handy, even if I didn't realize it at first. But most of all, and I can't stress enough how important these 2 points are, because I want to, and because I can.

[syntonica]

It's the keeping in line with paid upgrades every 2 years. I'm pretty tired of that, spending money without any substantial gain. Holds true for plugins as well, of course.

AKA - Money Pit. That said - for those that that see this as "keeping in line" with paid upgrades - that is not a requirement either. Presonus (or any vendor) is not forcing anyone to upgrade nor should you if you do not see the value.

True, although, at some point it is likely that you will have to upgrade, especially when you're on a Mac computer and an OS or hardware which breaks compatibility with older software. I don't know how long Presonus maintains former versions of their DAW, but, as I saw it, it's a few months, max.

Not much of an issue on Windows, of course.

Not true. You don't HAVE to update your OS on Mac at all, unlike Windows who downloads updates, installs them and then waits for the most importune time to force a reboot.

If your software works, then stay with it. If your computer OS works, then stay with it. If your computer hardware works for you, stay with it.

Upgrading and updating and spending money unnecessarily is not going to make you more talented. You get your inspiration from the world, not your tools.

[SantaClaus]

It's the keeping in line with paid upgrades every 2 years. I'm pretty tired of that, spending money without any substantial gain. Holds true for plugins as well, of course.

AKA - Money Pit. That said - for those that that see this as "keeping in line" with paid upgrades - that is not a requirement either. Presonus (or any vendor) is not forcing anyone to upgrade nor should you if you do not see the value.

True, although, at some point it is likely that you will have to upgrade, especially when you're on a Mac computer and an OS or hardware which breaks compatibility with older software. I don't know how long Presonus maintains former versions of their DAW, but, as I saw it, it's a few months, max.

Not much of an issue on Windows, of course.

Not true. You don't HAVE to update your OS on Mac at all, unlike Windows who downloads updates, installs them and then waits for the most importune time to force a reboot.

If your software works, then stay with it. If your computer OS works, then stay with it. If your computer hardware works for you, stay with it.

Upgrading and updating and spending money unnecessarily is not going to make you more talented. You get your inspiration from the world, not your tools.

If you buy a 12th gen CPU from Intel, you're pretty much forced to use Windows 11, and guess what, Studio One v4 does not (officially) run on Windows 11.

It's not always as simple as saying "Just don't update".

[pekbro]

Looking at my records, my upgrade from Studio One Pro 3 - 4 was $74.50, I did not upgrade to Version 5. Likely, you can probably get similar pricing if you want and are willing to hold out long enough.

*Studio One is not the only DAW I use, nor is it the main one that I use, so I can wait or skip a version without much of a problem. Version 5 is the only one I skipped though.

[soulata]

StudioOne v4.6 runs just fine on w11.

[syntonica]

Not true. You don't HAVE to update your OS on Mac at all, unlike Windows who downloads updates, installs them and then waits for the most importune time to force a reboot.

If your software works, then stay with it. If your computer OS works, then stay with it. If your computer hardware works for you, stay with it.

Upgrading and updating and spending money unnecessarily is not going to make you more talented. You get your inspiration from the world, not your tools.

If you buy a 12th gen CPU from Intel, you're pretty much forced to use Windows 11, and guess what, Studio One v4 does not (officially) run on Windows 11.

It's not always as simple as saying "Just don't update".

Do you NEED a 12th Gen CPU from Intel?

I never said "Just don't update". I updated to a new M1 MBA for the huge speed upgrade (~5x faster) from my 2014 i5 MBP. It's still on Monterrey. I don't forsee updating the OS at all. No reason to.

I have an iPad for all the latest, up-to-date whiz-bangery. It will be updated until it will no longer take updates. Then it will be used until websites start telling me the browser is too old.

But my music laptop is frozen. It will probably go in the pine box with me.

[SantaClaus]

Not true. You don't HAVE to update your OS on Mac at all, unlike Windows who downloads updates, installs them and then waits for the most importune time to force a reboot.

If your software works, then stay with it. If your computer OS works, then stay with it. If your computer hardware works for you, stay with it.

Upgrading and updating and spending money unnecessarily is not going to make you more talented. You get your inspiration from the world, not your tools.

If you buy a 12th gen CPU from Intel, you're pretty much forced to use Windows 11, and guess what, Studio One v4 does not (officially) run on Windows 11.

It's not always as simple as saying "Just don't update".

Do you NEED a 12th Gen CPU from Intel?

I never said "Just don't update". I updated to a new M1 MBA for the huge speed upgrade (~5x faster) from my 2014 i5 MBP. It's still on Monterrey. I don't forsee updating the OS at all. No reason to.

I have an iPad for all the latest, up-to-date whiz-bangery. It will be updated until it will no longer take updates. Then it will be used until websites start telling me the browser is too old.

But my music laptop is frozen. It will probably go in the pine box with me.

Yes I needed a 12th Gen CPU because I found it at a very good price compared to the AMD equivalent, which did replace my 10 year old CPU that couldn't handle granular libraries. I understand what you are saying, but everything isn't black or white, I was in a situation where I needed to upgrade to Windows 11 and unlike someone mentioned it above, Studio One v4 has many bugs on W11.

The first thing we should blame are the companies, then the consumers.