v3 Beta Feedback And Discussion (Bugs, Features, Suggestions)

[sj1]

You need to have the track selected and then the phrase..

+1

That might help in some circumstances, but I just did a test and was able to split a phrase without the track being selected, so that is not a universal precondition.

I'm glad it works for you guys, and sometimes it works for me.

However, I have yet to be shown that the video lies. At this point I remain convinced that it shows a case where the split phase operation did not work.

[AxBC]

I was able to repro this about 1 out of 5 times on Windows 10. It is not very consistently reproducible and for me it is random depending on user interaction of what I click on prior to trying the split.
It seems like the focus is lost at times so depending on what I clicked on previously or if I have the Phrase Inspector open or if I reopen it.

The work around seems to be to click on a different phrase and then back on to the original phrase and then it splits as expected.

[AxBC]

Further testing, open the example composition, navigate to bar 30 and right click between the chords to open the Phrase Inspector, close the PI, click on bar 28, right click on bar 30 to reopen the PI, try the split and it does not work.
This seems to be consistently reproducible with the above steps.
Again, the work around is to click on a different phrase and back on to the phrase you want to split.
Hope this makes sense and others can repro so it can be fixed.

[musicdevelopments]

Very good catch! I fixed these and will upload an update later today.

Thanks!
Attila

Ok in summary, these are the generators that crash on right click:

[musicdevelopments]

Hi Steve,

I can see there is a problem, and you are not able to split that phrase in the video.
I was not able to reproduce that with the attached composition file, at the same position.
At the moment I can't find an explanation for that.

One question: can you see "Phrases split" in the History after an unsuccessful split?

Thanks (and sorry),
Attila

Thanks!

That right-click to pop up the Timeline dialog is exactly what wouldn't work here an hour ago.

I went out to the grocery store, came back and started over, and then that worked.

Strange.

However, I have made a video that demonstrates the phrase split problem, just to prove I'm not making it up!

[sj1]

I can see there is a problem, and you are not able to split that phrase in the video.
I was not able to reproduce that with the attached composition file, at the same position.

One question: can you see "Phrases split" in the History after an unsuccessful split?

Thanks kindly for checking this out Attila, and for your confirmation.

No, after an unsuccessful split I do not see a "Phrases split" entry the History.

Two suggestions for replication:

1. As described by AxBC above.

2. Alternatively, load the file and then immediately go to the very start of the composition and try to split the first two bars (of Am6) in half (via the choice in the Phrase pop-up dialog). In my test here this morning this fails just like in the video.

BTW, I don't see 'Undo' appearing anywhere in History. Wouldn't you say that History falls out of step with reality (i.e. the current state) if Undo operations are not listed?

[musicdevelopments]

Hi AxBC,
many thanks for the detailed steps! Although I was not able to reproduce this bug with beta29, but I am closer to finding the root of the problem.
Thanks,
Attila

Further testing, open the example composition, navigate to bar 30 and right click between the chords to open the Phrase Inspector, close the PI, click on bar 28, right click on bar 30 to reopen the PI, try the split and it does not work.
This seems to be consistently reproducible with the above steps.
Again, the work around is to click on a different phrase and back on to the phrase you want to split.
Hope this makes sense and others can repro so it can be fixed.

[musicdevelopments]

I figured out a much better and easier way of splitting/joining phrases. More to come...

[sj1]

I figured out a much better and easier way of splitting/joining phrases. More to come...

FWIW, please keep in mind that explicit options/choices/operations/keystrokes that we can see and choose are much desired.

Super-slick new but "uncommon and must be memorized" ways of doing things can be impediments rather than enablements.

Personally, I find the options and keystrokes currently available perfectly good for splitting phrases. We just want them to be perfectly reliable also.

Of course, if you aren't planning to take anything away then there's no issue, but if the new breaks people's "muscle memory" or their "knowing where to look for it" then please consider not removing the old.

I wonder, do you feel your underlying tech for multi-platform building is rock-solid from the POV of accurately reporting the changes and state of focus at all times? (Because if working around a problem at that level is necessary, then I get it!)

[BluGenes]

Hey all.. Thought I'd drop a note on this.. I'll probably be out next week because of really strange weather.. Due to were I live, on the Gulf Coast of Mexico, we will be experiencing, not one, but, two simultaneous hurricanes. This hasn't happened since 1959. Oh boy..

Fortunately, both seem to plotting to the left and right of us. But, these things are always huge, so, we will feel it for sure.
I am hoping for the best, but, planning for the worse..

[sj1]

Oh boy, I hope you are on high ground BluGenes. Best wishes for the storms to weaken and/or miss!

[musicdevelopments]

OMG that sounds scary, BluGenes! Take care!

[musicdevelopments]

I realized it would be logical to use Alt-click directly on a phrase to split/join them (using the mouse position on a 'snap' boundary).
Alt-click is used for splitting chords, lines, notes already, so I think this would be a good addition.

FWIW, please keep in mind that explicit options/choices/operations/keystrokes that we can see and choose are much desired.

Super-slick new but "uncommon and must be memorized" ways of doing things can be impediments rather than enablements.

[musicdevelopments]

BTW, I don't see 'Undo' appearing anywhere in History. Wouldn't you say that History falls out of step with reality (i.e. the current state) if Undo operations are not listed?

If an operation is not listed in the history, that state was not saved, so you can go back only to the previous state.

I could have sworn I have seen a post asking about deleting items from the phrase history but I can't find it. If you right-click on the 'sequence number', between the left/right arrow, you'll see a menu:



Thanks,
Attila

[sj1]

I realized it would be logical to use Alt-click directly on a phrase to split/join them (using the mouse position on a 'snap' boundary).
Alt-click is used for splitting chords, lines, notes already, so I think this would be a good addition.

Makes perfect sense to me. I love the consistency of this!