Roland Cloud

[WatchTheGuitar]

Hi Brian. Why does Roland make everything so much more difficult than it needs to be?
It has so far kept me away from buying any Roland plugins.

Why not just let people buy and use the software without all the hoops and strings attached?
I would literally own all Roland VSTs right now instead of none, if that was the case.

My guess is that Roland's hardware division probably like it that way. Keep the Cloud users in bedroom studios and hardware in air gapped pro studios and on stage.

[Purpan]

Just wanted to record here that Roland Cloud support solved my D50 Play4Life issue in record time. Many thanks to Brian here and Travis in support.

[raiderpdog]

That's horrible dude. The RC anti-piracy measures just hurt the paying customer.

Every RC plug has been cracked, so the privacy measures are useless anyway.

I would love it if Roland went the Arturia approach and sold their plugins in a bundle with one-time verification per machine.

i would be on that bundle real quickly if it was like that.

[Examigan]

I wrote to their support about Jupiter-8 as the manual doesn't explain the difference between Env1- and Env1+ in the VCO Modulator section. It just says "Adjusts the modulation depth."

I know that it can use either of the two envelopes (or LFO or the manual setting), but it seems when I use the + (positive) version of Env1 or Env2 it is just bit more PW modulation than the - (negative) version. At first I thought maybe it would invert the envelope, but when I tried it out, it doesn't.

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[Examigan]

oops dp

[ChamomileShark]

RC will most likely check to see if the instruments are authorized if you are using a different IP address than your last login. In this case, it's good to connect to venue wifi, or the hotspot on your phone. From there, launch Roland Cloud Manager to authorize all of the instruments at once. Open your session and you should be good to go.

Thanks!

Not a very technical person myself but I think in the UK we are on dynamic IPs - so every time RC starts it will need to check the instruments are authorised?

[gaggle of hermits]

In most cases, you’d be behind an address-translating gateway in the DSL modem so RC will only see the local Ip, which might change at times if your setup is using DHCP, but not that often.

[WatchTheGuitar]

I don’t know if it would work for RC, but I believe some VPN solutions let you obtain a static IP.
Mostly used by people who work with third parties who need to whitelist an IP to enable it to access their servers, but could possibly also work with RC if it just keeps seeing the same IP no matter where in the world you access it from.

[ChamomileShark]

In most cases, you’d be behind an address-translating gateway in the DSL modem so RC will only see the local Ip, which might change at times if your setup is using DHCP, but not that often.

If you mean the locality, then I also see that show up as different towns, like Swindon.

[gaggle of hermits]

In most cases, you’d be behind an address-translating gateway in the DSL modem so RC will only see the local Ip, which might change at times if your setup is using DHCP, but not that often.

If you mean the locality, then I also see that show up as different towns, like Swindon.

i mean local as in your house in this case.

if you look at your computer's IP and it's something like 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x you are behind an address-translating (NAT) gateway - and that is what RC is most likely seeing. The location that you see from google etc is derived from the external IP and will be completely different.

[ChamomileShark]

ah ok, thanks.

[N 4 LIFE]

Hey all. N 4 Life here.
So in advance of rehearsal (no internet spot) I successfully deleted EVER ROLAND PLUG I OWN in order for Roland to not be allowed to make me look stupid and un pre pared again. Fast programs switches, very fluent using what I created in Logic using ES2 and Massive.
I'm still an RC member which is fine but just reminding all gigging musicians: you're f**ked if you depend on a cloud of shit.
bye now!!
Cheers.

[N 4 LIFE]

Hello forum. I'm a new guy here and found this forum because of my interest in replacing my dead Roland Synths. I'm in the Roland Cloud now, and most everything sounds great to me.

In this post I just wanted to give folks a heads up about using Roland Cloud and Logic on a live gig.
Last weekend I had a jazz gig until 10 and then I had to make the second set with a rock band at 11 30. I had spent a lot of time doing sound design for the rock band because there are a lot of classic synth sounds I needed to layer and save in order to do that music correctly.

So I pull up 15 min before the gig at 11 30, security waves me past several hundred people to where my backline was all set up...I had my USB controller and laptop was all. I plug in and power up, NONE of the Roland sounds would play. Nada, zilch. Even the main output on Logic's master buss was for shit and then I remembered...I was in a new location and Roland didn't know it and unless I could get online and revalidate my membership and sounds, I was f**ked. And I certainly was. Amongst the throngs of insane drunk fans and weed smoke, I came to my senses and used my mobile hotspot on my phone to get online and then the Roland stuff SLOWLY started to work.

It ended up being a giant pain in the ass as program changes were very slow and having really great rhythm, it didn't seem to matter....the Roland VST's were all sluggish and made me look bad.

Now I'm super bummed because I am gonna have to redo all my sound design with synths that don't require going online to get verified while trying to do a gig.

Hope this helps anyone. Still love these sounds and use them every day in the studio.

That's pretty bad. I hope someone from Roland sees this.

Yeah, thankfully I didn't get fired for Roland suckage. I remade all the classic Roland sounds using Logic synths. Soon I'll be sampling the four or five essential things I used to like at Roland into my arsenal so that I can GO TO THE f**king BEACH AND PLAY A f**king BAR GIG. Jfc man..

[Captain]

I'm still an RC member which is fine but just reminding all gigging musicians: you're f**ked if you depend on a cloud of shit.

That's what I have learned too Over the years I have occasionally tried using 3rd party plugins in my live MainStage setup, but that _always_ leads to problems at some point. Nowadays I always recreate all sounds with only Logic/MainStage built-in plugins, which are anyway so good that I can always get close enough. And Auto Sampler is a good friend in case of more complicated sounds.

(Sorry for slightly off-topic, still love & use RC in the studio! You can hear D-50 in action on our latest single )

[gaggle of hermits]

if you look at your computer's IP and it's something like 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x you are behind an address-translating (NAT) gateway - and that is what RC is most likely seeing. The location that you see from google etc is derived from the external IP and will be completely different.

thinking about it, all this might be irrelevant in the case of roland cloud authorisation as the cloud servers will see the ISP-assigned address not the local one. a lot depends on whether it's what the local RC software reports to the server or what the cloud server sees - though it would wind up treating two machines on the same local network asking for authorisation at different times as potentially the same computer.

either way, it's pretty daft to use IP address as a machine ID as it's one of the attributes most likely to change in a computer and it's a bit of mystery why developers at a number of companies use this kind of info for copy protection.