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tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:39 am

I guess we are all in agreement that we disagree. While I'll occasionally put something in the path like a chorus live for cleaner stuff I'm not one of those guys who has to stack as much stuff as possible in the chain. The pandora mini is more of a pastime then a regular tool.

Funny that guild doesn't look that thick for the tone you are talking. But... The neck looks right to handle the wieght of the tone. I've had guitars with meaty necks and light bodies that seem to hold onto the growl. Then again grain pattern of the wood can make a huge difference. Tight triple A woods

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:57 am

I dont use any fx in my guitar signal chain before it gets recorded, fx was just one example. A mic signal goes through stages that amplify the signal, a guitar that is run through an amp is going through a pre-amp stage stage and a power amp stage. Of course I use a booster or an overdrive pedal and that's another pre-amplifier stage, you might not but imo it's beyond obvious that limiting noise the best you can at the pick-up pays off at the other end of the signal chain.

metalifuxx · Post by **metalifuxx** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:09 am

tapper mike wrote: Funny that guild doesn't look that thick for the tone you are talking. But... The neck looks right to handle the wieght of the tone. I've had guitars with meaty necks and light bodies that seem to hold onto the growl. Then again grain pattern of the wood can make a huge difference. Tight triple A woods

Ironic that you say that, because my friend that owns the guitar does not like the neck because it is on the thinner side (as opposed to his Les Paul). I quite like it that way, as it resembles my Squire Strat neck. Playing technique, style, and hand/finger size/length all play a part in whether you like the neck and can get the tones out of the guitar you want I guess. The guitar has a meaty resonant tone, even unplugged, which can also be a true test of the overall tone you will get when amplified. I hate having to fight liking a guitar because it is hard to play, but has good tone/sound. No inspiration comes from that.

You might beg to differ once you heard it running through his Brunetti MC2 combo amp with an external Marshall 2x12 cab wiuth GT75s. Bogner Red Pedal running the pre gain at about 7-8 into the clean channel, dialed up for a more scooped hard rock metal sound with the EQ on the pedal. That amp has a master volume only, so it was at decent level for jamming with loud drums. But that was just for a few drop D metal originals we were jamming, otherwise clean or just overdriven in standard E tuning. Then we hooked up another 4x12 cab with V30s for a nice mix

GaryG · Post by **GaryG** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:03 pm

At the other end of the spectrum:

http://www.whudat.de/guitars-made-of-sh ... ures-clip/

Fun little thrashers I reckon.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:55 pm

I love the upside down strat jacks Gary

chrisby · Post by **chrisby** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:09 pm

Only 'cause I just ordered this two minutes ago and sat back down at my computer and saw this thread -

$275 including tax delivered. Yeah, it's a Squier but the reviews seem to be almost universally good... and how bad can you go for $275? Not exactly the 62 Jag I almost bought back in the day before the prices skyrocketed (and have regretted not buying ever since) but still...

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:44 am

@chrisby

You'd be surprised. If you are buying it from online for that price you may have things like uneven frets, bad wiring. poor intonation, warped neck unfinished frets and a host of other problems. Some can be easily be corrected if you know what you are doing or are willing to throw down some change at your local guitar shop.

@metalifuxx

I could well be aurprised. It's funny I had a 79 LP custom with a thin neck while most of the other cats I knew at the time had the thicker variety you speak of. It had much more sustain then my 57 LP but the 57 had a bigsby and p90's

When I was doing trad jazz I was playing a Valley Arts (pre Samick) L5 I had 13's on the thing and it was close to a Gretch neck. Me having small hands I thought it would be a struggle but it was fine for that stuff except I still had to use a conpressor and it fed back like a mother. The thing is style dictates playing style more then anything. Eventually I went to my trusty 335 which lacked a bit of the warmth but atleast the feedback was controlable and I could stand with the thing.

Just like now. I'm learning to live with my z6 which has an extremely fat neck (it was a custom build) though I'd trade it in any day for a z5

chrisby · Post by **chrisby** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:48 am

tapper mike wrote:@chrisby

You'd be surprised. If you are buying it from online for that price you may have things like uneven frets, bad wiring. poor intonation, warped neck unfinished frets and a host of other problems. Some can be easily be corrected if you know what you are doing or are willing to throw down some change at your local guitar shop.

Yeah, believe me I'm aware of that and was pretty suspect about the whole deal. But seriously a lot "real" Jag owners are praising the things pretty much anywhere there is to do a review (consistent 4.5-5 stars). Literally I've seen only one negative review. All that said I'm not expecting much, hoping but not expecting. Have read of zero arriving with any form of defect but have also read a lot regarding poor setup. I can live with (well can live with having to correct) that. So for that cheap new, worst case is it goes to Craigslist.... guess we'll see anyway.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:31 am

besides a warmoth neck can be had for short money, then of course stew mac sells all you need to resolve fret issues. If you drive a car you need to know how to change a flat, if you play guitar imo you should at least be able to set up a neck, string height and intonation. No one should have to apologize or make excuses about playing Squires, let the gear snobs think what they want...if you like it feck em.

chrisby · Post by **chrisby** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:48 am

Hink wrote:besides a warmoth neck can be had for short money, then of course stew mac sells all you need to resolve fret issues. If you drive a car you need to know how to change a flat, if you play guitar imo you should at least be able to set up a neck, string height and intonation. No one should have to apologize or make excuses about playing Squires, let the gear snobs think what they want...if you like it feck em.

Well either way I'll know in a week or two I guess. Then again maybe I'm not the best judge, I swear the best playing guitar I've ever owned was a very unattractive and not very good sounding Cort Starlite (or something like that) that probably costed even less.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:32 am

Hink wrote:besides a warmoth neck can be had for short money

Hink's right, a Warmoth neck can transform even the cheapest instrument into one of the best playing guitars you'll find. Plus, you can get a full 25.5" scale length that way.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:53 pm

the baritone is done...Two p-rails wired with all four options (p90, hotrail single coil, humbucker both parallel and series), the middle pup is a duncan jb jr wired with an on/on/on series/split/parallel. The third knob is not a tone control it's an Artec QDD2 pre-amp which is a 5-way rotary switch with bypass and 4 types of gain (plus a global trimpot). The 5 way strat switch is wired B>B/N>N>M/N>M. So eletronically I have the bases well covered imo and then some, or as I call it "the swiss army knife" of baritones. The tone control uses and orange drop cap as well.

The body is alder, I could have gotten a better cut of wood but I'm not complaining...I really was set on the sunburst from the start. Note on the back (which I should have polished

) is a double battery box so I'm 18v ready though right now it's only 9v. I want to play it at 9v for a bit then make it 18v and then determine whether I want a switch between 9 and 18v or just hardwire it 18v. I really like the contour cuts on the body both front and back (I need to take better pics of the back, you cant see the contours) and how it sits in my lap. (the tele neck imo works well with this body)

Before when I had the tele body this thing weighed a ton, more than a Les Paul but now it's much lighter and I even used metal pup rings. Of course it will take a while to get to know all the tones but it sounds great and there is a nice contrast of tones going through the options. The action is much better than with the tele body, the squier neck pocket was poorly done but this is perfect. Intonation was not an issue at all

It's tough getting good pics with my flash, I need studio lighting. But...

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:58 pm

tapper mike wrote:I guess we are all in agreement that we disagree. While I'll occasionally put something in the path like a chorus live for cleaner stuff I'm not one of those guys who has to stack as much stuff as possible in the chain. The pandora mini is more of a pastime then a regular tool.

Funny that guild doesn't look that thick for the tone you are talking. But... The neck looks right to handle the wieght of the tone. I've had guitars with meaty necks and light bodies that seem to hold onto the growl. Then again grain pattern of the wood can make a huge difference. Tight triple A woods

if i could carry all my pedals to a gig, i would

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:21 pm

Nice Hink!

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:23 pm

thanx hibidy

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