KVR Audio

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:30 pm

brok landers wrote:
WOK wrote:>snip<

also one thing that always bothered me:
when a primitive partly leaves the workspace area and one wants to crop to the workspace area, the part of the out-of-workspace primitive is respected by the cropping (btw, aslo by rendering), hence the cropped workspace/rendering is always bigger than desired, as the primitive outside is fully respected...
i hope you understand what i mean...
Isn't that what "Triming Visible" is expected to do
You might use the Triming-Tool instead to draw a frame around the area which should be the new overall workspace.
i know (that was what i meant, i just didn't remember the name of the command, i am not infront of skinman atm). the thing is, "trimming visible" actually _doesn't_ crop the portion outside.

The object parts are not deleted, but using the triming-tool (not the menu command) cuts the workspace to the desired size - the export then does not include the outer object parts, hence has the correct dimensions.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:35 pm

WOK wrote:>snip< but using the triming-tool (not the menu command) cuts the workspace to the desired size - the export then does not include the outer object parts, hence has the correct dimensions.

i know i can use the trim tool, but it's impossible to be precise with it...
a cool thing would be, that you could use the trim tool, but it doesn't crop right after mousebutton-release, but gives you the option to numerically set the exact dimension values before actually cropping... then it would be accurate...

Filch · Post by **Filch** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:51 am

I'm hoping one of the experts here can help me figure out how the lines tool is used. I'm attempting to draw a single line that will separate different areas of a panel. I'm trying to recreate the Waldorf Largo VST UI and I can't seem to get this line tool to work like I think it should.

Here's a link to a pic of the GUI.
http://www.musik-produktiv.co.uk/downlo ... 3221-b.jpg

I'm trying to recreate the red separation lines with a little bit of embossing. I've set the line to LineType: Vertical. If I set Vertex down to 1, I'd expect to have a single line in the middle, except I have none.

Any help would be appreciated.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:49 am

Filch wrote:I'm hoping one of the experts here can help me figure out how the lines tool is used. I'm attempting to draw a single line that will separate different areas of a panel. I'm trying to recreate the Waldorf Largo VST UI and I can't seem to get this line tool to work like I think it should.

Here's a link to a pic of the GUI.
http://www.musik-produktiv.co.uk/downlo ... 3221-b.jpg

I'm trying to recreate the red separation lines with a little bit of embossing. I've set the line to LineType: Vertical. If I set Vertex down to 1, I'd expect to have a single line in the middle, except I have none.

Any help would be appreciated.

try a bit wider range and try to use negative embossing in _very_ small doses...
also try to use antialiasing off... just an idea...

Filch · Post by **Filch** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:11 am

I was actually having a problem getting Lines to only show a single line. At Vertex set to 3, I have 3 lines. I then changed the start/stop values to remove the left and right line, leaving only the center.

Antialias off works good here since I'm just trying to get a straight line. I get some blurring when depending on line width and position. Thanks for the tip.

I tried all sorts of different embossing values and it's not quite right. I can't quite get the line to look like it's sunk in. I think perhaps I should just make the grid with the lines, then add rectangles fills to the areas gridded off, and emboss those instead.

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:37 pm

Filch wrote:I'm hoping one of the experts here can help me figure out how the lines tool is used. I'm attempting to draw a single line that will separate different areas of a panel. I'm trying to recreate the Waldorf Largo VST UI and I can't seem to get this line tool to work like I think it should.
I'm trying to recreate the red separation lines with a little bit of embossing. I've set the line to LineType: Vertical. If I set Vertex down to 1, I'd expect to have a single line in the middle, except I have none.
Any help would be appreciated.

The line tool is for repeated lines (knob dial, fader lines). Line type "radiate" with vertex 1 will give you a vert (-180/180) or hor (-90/90) line. But you won't get the emboss effect with that. Better use 2 rectangles of 1 or 2 point Y size and give it a black shadow up and the other a white shadow down.
Or you draw a rectangle as gray background plate with emboss W1.5 D4. Then you move the thin rectangle line over it in the object tree and set it's operation to shape-. That gives the emboss; place a normal copy of the line in red over it for the color.

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:27 pm

hello,

how about laying bordered rectangles side-by-side?
just a sample:

Filch · Post by **Filch** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:48 pm

g200kg wrote:hello,
how about laying bordered rectangles side-by-side?
just a sample:

Wow! You made it look exactly like the Largo. That is great work sir.
Thanks for the advice Wok and g200kg.

Both using a rectangle as the line and also having the red border w/ embossed rectangles seems like an, "why didn't I think of that" moment.

I ended up laying the grid with individual red lines and then placing the gray rectangles into the grid. It worked out well.

I wanted to to keep the surface one big rectangle that was divided up by the lines so I could do a slight, and consistent specular light across the surface... but now that it's all individual objects, I'm not sure how I would go about that.

What emboss setting did you use on the text?

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:28 am

hi,
placed large rectangle over the panel, white(alpha=0) to Black(alpha=64) gradation is applied.

the texts are not embossed. Arial, gray (64,64,64), antialias is used.

Filch · Post by **Filch** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:00 am

g200kg wrote:hi,
placed large rectangle over the panel, white(alpha=0) to Black(alpha=64) gradation is applied.

the texts are not embossed. Arial, gray (64,64,64), antialias is used.

Ahh, trick of the eye. Thanks for the lessons. This panel is starting to look great.

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:21 am

And now, updated to 0.999g

http://www.g200kg.com/en/software/skinman.html

0.999g 20110618
* BugFix: Primitives are not normally focused after paste (CTRL-C/CTRL-V)
* BugFix: Color value of the boundary pixel between PrimitiveBody&DropShadow is not correct
* BugFix: In some case, the position is not accurate (+-0.5pix) when primitive move by dragging
* BugFix: Menu item enable/disable control is wrong about 'Edit->Primitive->Extract Image'
* Support Texture rotation / scaleX,Y / OffsetX,Y
* Support Texture alpha to cut-out
* Add Textures 'Punching Metal' and 'Punching Slits'
* NOTE: from this version, SSE supported CPU is needed

Texture 'Punching Metal' & 'Punching Slits sample'.
may be fun

Filch · Post by **Filch** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:56 am

g200kg wrote:And now, updated to 0.999g

http://www.g200kg.com/en/software/skinman.html

0.999g 20110618
* BugFix: Primitives are not normally focused after paste (CTRL-C/CTRL-V)

Hahaha... I've been noticing this one in particular all night. Was about to report it.

Love the new texture updates.

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:03 am

g200kg wrote:And now, updated to 0.999g
http://www.g200kg.com/en/software/skinman.html
0.999g 20110618
* BugFix: Primitives are not normally focused after paste (CTRL-C/CTRL-V)
* BugFix: Color value of the boundary pixel between PrimitiveBody&DropShadow is not correct
* BugFix: In some case, the position is not accurate (+-0.5pix) when primitive move by dragging
* BugFix: Menu item enable/disable control is wrong about 'Edit->Primitive->Extract Image'
* Support Texture rotation / scaleX,Y / OffsetX,Y
* Support Texture alpha to cut-out
* Add Textures 'Punching Metal' and 'Punching Slits'
* NOTE: from this version, SSE supported CPU is needed

Thank you very much!

Would it be possible to make the emboss border/fill function fully working on alpha textured objects?

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:20 pm

I think something has changed in the behaviour of the object tree.
I can't move groups any more in the correct way. Trying to place a group "between" two other groups always places the group under the last object of the upper group. The black line marker changes it's length when I move the mouse there, but the moved group is always placed "into" the other group, not seperately under it.

Edit/Add:
I don't know if this was before already: when making a soft color gradation, there is a color "step" at the beginning and end of the gradation (even when the Fill1 and Fill2 are the same, the gradation area is a little darker). This is best visible with gentle gradations or when the two colors are the same.

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:51 pm

WOK wrote:I think something has changed in the behaviour of the object tree.
I can't move groups any more in the correct way. Trying to place a group "between" two other groups always places the group under the last object of the upper group. The black line marker changes it's length when I move the mouse there, but the moved group is always placed "into" the other group, not seperately under it.

sorry,
simple bug because of too many things have been changed.
I would like to designate a stable version when settled these recent problems.

Fixed: 0.999h
http://www.g200kg.com/en/software/skinman.html

SKINMAN, the new strike by g200kg (early early alpha)