KVR Audio

koalaboy · Post by **koalaboy** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:18 am

I have to say that I always really liked the workflow of Reason, and if record would allow me to use my VST collection, I'd buy it (and upgrade to Reason 4) immediately, without question.

record, and the Reason integration gives me almost everything I ever wanted Reason to be.

However, I CAN NOT lose the use of Omnisphere, Alchemy, Sylenth, Voxengo and UAD-2. I'm really hoping that the 'details' today reveal a nice integrated way of using them - I mean, come on, the panoramic rack is screaming for VST integration now - so I can just run everything inside..... but I'm also aware it's highly unlikely.

The best I can hope for realistically, I guess, is that record will act as a rewire host. Then I could rewire Reaper into it, for VST usage.

christ8449 · Post by **christ8449** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:35 am

After seeing both videos I'm less than impressed. It looks very archaic and convoluted IMHO. Why anybody would buy this instead of Reaper, Logic, FL Studio, Orion or whatever is completely beyond my comprehension. Shrug

It's beyond your comprehension that some people might prefer working in a different program that you dislike? If this record program is good I'll probably buy it and use it with Reason and Live.

I have to say that I always really liked the workflow of Reason, and if record would allow me to use my VST collection, I'd buy it (and upgrade to Reason 4) immediately, without question.

Have you tried using rewire with your main DAW? It works pretty nicely. I do this and I can use Reason, Record when it comes out, Live and any VST I want at the same time.

Zargon the Destroyer · Mon May 11, 2009 6:48 am

Please, please don't let this thread ever end.

minimarx · Post by **minimarx** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:54 am

oh, don't worry about company being ruined, as long as they got people like FaX who are able to take every bad thing in Reason and make it sound good and intuitive, and talk to the rest of us like we are bunch of retards who never used Reason before, they are safe ... btw. let's see that side-chain compression in Reason - because he obviously said it is so easy to do it in Reason 4
picture here - http://www.reasontutorials.net/resource ... o-back.png
ok, I was wrong, it is not that you have to connect 20 wires, it is that you have to connect 10

, and menaging 10 wires for every sidechain compression that you want is so little compering to Lives 2 step compression -> just insert compressor on the bass track you need to compress and just select the channel that your kick is on ... sorry man, but they have to step it up ...

christ8449 · Post by **christ8449** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:03 am

minimarx wrote: ok, I was wrong, it is not that you have to connect 20 wires, it is that you have to connect 10 , and menaging 10 wires for every sidechain compression that you want is so little compering to Lives 2 step compression -> just insert compressor on the bass track you need to compress and just select the channel that your kick is on ... sorry man, but they have to step it up ...

Sidechain compression is definitely a hassle in reason. The one good thing about it is that it kinda taught me how it works. I expect the next version of reason to make it easier..hopefully. For now I use rewire and live for side chaining comp.

I'm not so delusional to think reason is perfect. Then again, I've yet to find a perfect piece of software.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:16 am

FaX wrote:Live - let me see . MAXMSP is NOT an easy system to learn and a large portion of us like to write music and not dick around with coding. Personally, I am of the opinion M4L is going to way be to deep for most people. Enough peeps have trouble getting their head around shit like Reaktor let alone getting into in depth synth programming.

That's why they are planning on having a user library like NI does with Reaktor.

FaX wrote:V8 - is hardly stable for most people at the moment working ummmm "LIVE" either.

People obviously shouldn't be using a new revision for mission critical work 'till all the bugs have been worked out. This is true of any software.

FaX wrote:Reason was a modular environment well before other people had developed such a thing.
The Combinator was essentially pilfered and used in things like Racks in Live IMHO.

Hmmm, refresh my memory. Did the Combinator come out before or after Xlutop Chainer?

koalaboy · Post by **koalaboy** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:27 am

christ8449 wrote:Have you tried using rewire with your main DAW? It works pretty nicely. I do this and I can use Reason, Record when it comes out, Live and any VST I want at the same time.

I have, but the fact that I have to save two distinct projects in the different apps is a major deal-breaker for me - if they could sort out rewire such that the host could automatically make the slave load/save the contained project, it'd be more use to me.

I want a DAW to be self-contained - it's meant to make my life easier.

vinayk · Post by **vinayk** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:52 am

koalaboy wrote: I want a DAW to be self-contained - it's meant to make my life easier.

I guess thats what props are trying to do here? dunno

today i'm sitting with my acoustic guitar, zoom h2 and ableton live... i think simplicity isnt a bad thing.. already have most of a song worked out in 30 mins... that said I actually know how to play guitar... hmmm

blank/diod · Post by **blank/diod** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:54 am

christ8449 wrote:Sidechain compression is definitely a hassle in reason. The one good thing about it is that it kinda taught me how it works. I expect the next version of reason to make it easier..hopefully.

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vinayk · Post by **vinayk** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:06 am

they have a comp mode similar to logic pro in this

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:39 am

vinayk wrote:they have a comp mode similar to logic pro in this

Reaper, Pro Tools and probably some other also have this.

koalaboy · Post by **koalaboy** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:44 am

vinayk wrote:
koalaboy wrote: I want a DAW to be self-contained - it's meant to make my life easier.
I guess thats what props are trying to do here? dunno

today i'm sitting with my acoustic guitar, zoom h2 and ableton live... i think simplicity isnt a bad thing.. already have most of a song worked out in 30 mins... that said I actually know how to play guitar... hmmm

Indeed - that's why I just want it to support VSTs, as it simplifies everything into one place. If I have to fire up something else to use my UAD-2 or use non-props instruments, it's no longer simplifying.

The most I can probably hope for is record acting as a rewire host, so I could rewire reaper in for VST duties. That's just reversed the problem though - not solved it.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:08 am

Well, I don't know if this has been posted, and I'm not personally interested in this, but FWIW, the official website will be www.record-you.com

If this has already been posted and I missed it, my apologies. But that's where you're likely to find all information once it's out. Release date is set at September 9th, btw. Retail price will be $299.

No, not fake information. Not making it up. Here is some more of the blurb:

Recording done right

Built for independent minded musicians, Record has the feel of a million dollar recording studio with the streamlined simplicity of a tape deck. For guitar players, the built-in virtual POD® from Line 6 brings a wide range of top quality guitar amps and cabinets. Record’s software mixer’s sound is faithfully modeled* after the renowned SSL® 9000K hardware with flexible routing, full dynamics, EQ, advanced effects handling and complete automation. With its state-of-the-art dynamic multicore audio handling, Record uses a computer's processing power to its fullest.

Users will never have worry about track counts, latency issues or adding that extra reverb or effect. With an easy to grasp interface, it won't get in the way of ideas and will inspire users to make more music.

Pricing & availability

Record begins beta testing today and will be available for purchase worldwide on September 9, 2009. Record will be available through all Propellerhead dealers worldwide at a suggested retail price of $299 USD / €299 EUR.

Propellerhead will also offer special bundles and pricing to its users through its retailers.

Brent

daradei · Post by **daradei** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:14 am

John Vulich wrote:
vinayk wrote:they have a comp mode similar to logic pro in this

Reaper, Pro Tools and probably some other also have this.

is it a sin to implement something that works? LOGIC which is a pro software only has it since v8...and it's Record 1.0 beta

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:26 am

daradei wrote:
John Vulich wrote:
vinayk wrote:they have a comp mode similar to logic pro in this

Reaper, Pro Tools and probably some other also have this.
but note that Logic has it only since v8 and everyone had orgasm when they put it in, and it's Record 1.0 and I'm sure it will have many many innovations Logic and others will never have till it's going till v8.

pretty lame shit when someone say X and Y had it. is it a sin to implement something that works?

Record: New DAW from Propellerheads