What is the difference between music and noise? [years-dead slappyfight revived]

[vespers75]

Main Entry: har·mo·ny
Pronunciation: \ˈhär-mə-nē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural har·mo·nies
Etymology: Middle English armony, from Anglo-French armonie, from Latin harmonia, from Greek, joint, harmony, from harmos joint — more at arm
Date: 14th century
1 archaic : tuneful sound : melody
2 a : the combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord b : the structure of music with respect to the composition and progression of chords c : the science of the structure, relation, and progression of chords
3 a : pleasing or congruent arrangement of parts <a painting exhibiting harmony of color and line> b : correspondence, accord <lives in harmony with her neighbors> c : internal calm : tranquillity
4 a : an interweaving of different accounts into a single narrative b : a systematic arrangement of parallel literary passages (as of the Gospels) for the purpose of showing agreement or harmony

[jopy]

Music:

1. a. The art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds to produce beauty of form, harmony, melody, rhythm, expressive content, etc.; musical composition, performance, analysis, etc., as a subject of study; the occupation or profession of musicians.
The word has often been used specifically to denote the art of musical performance, sometimes with particular reference to instrumental performance, although contextually it can denote other branches, as composition, musicology, etc.

b. Chiefly poet. With capital initial. This art personified.

2. a. The vocal or instrumental sound produced by practical exercise of the art of music (whether live, pre-recorded, etc.). in (good, true) music: in tune (obs.).
broken music: see BROKEN adj. 16. music of the spheres: see SPHERE n. 2b.

b. Usually with defining word or phrase: a particular style, genre, or tradition of musical performance or composition; (also) the work of a particular composer or writer. Often treated as a count noun in later use.
For established compounds see the first element.

c. Vocal or instrumental sounds put together in melodic, harmonic, or rhythmical combination, as by a composer; a composed musical setting (freq. including both melody and accompaniment) to which a poem, etc., may be sung; (also) the musical accompaniment to a ballet, play, etc.

3. A musical instrument. Formerly esp. in to play on music (also in pl.). regional in later use.

4. As a count noun: a musical composition or performance. Now arch. and hist.

5. a. A company of musicians (in early use also in pl. in same sense). In later use chiefly Mil.: that component of a military force charged with sounding signals on musical instruments (cf. sense A. 5b). Now chiefly hist.
In the later 20th cent. revived (usually in form Musick) in the names of a number of ensembles devoted to the performance of early music.
Master of the (King's, Queen's) Music: see MASTER n.1 23a.

b. U.S. Mil. In the U.S. Marines: a soldier responsible for sounding signals on a musical instrument; (now) spec. a trumpeter, a bugler.

6. The written or printed score of a musical composition; such scores collectively; musical composition as represented by conventional graphic symbols.
sheet music: see SHEET n.1 12d.

7. Each of the short keys, now usually black, on the keyboard of an organ. Obs. rare.

II. Extended uses.

8. a. Sound produced naturally which is likened to music in being rhythmical or pleasing to the ear, as the song of birds, the sound of running water, etc. (occas. used ironically).

b. The cries of a pack of hounds on seeing the chase.

c. slang (chiefly Mil.). The sound of gunfire.

9. a. Chiefly in fig. context. Something likened to music by virtue of its beauty or charm, or the pleasure which it produces. Freq. in music to one's ears: something which it is gratifying to hear, pleasant news (see also quot. 1597 at sense A. 8a).
In quot. 1699 in negative context, applied to bad news.

b. to step music: to step with rhythmical grace. Obs. rare.

c. euphem. to make (beautiful) music (together): to have sexual intercourse.

10. slang. A band of highwaymen or similar robbers. Esp. in the music's paid (see quot. 1699). Obs.
In quot. a1627 app. with a more general allusion to sense A. 5.

11. a. Pleasure, amusement. Obs. rare.

b. U.S. colloq. Originally: liveliness; excitement; fun, sport; (also) sense of the ridiculous (now rare). Later: trouble, disturbance. Cf. MUSICAL adj. 6. See also to face the music at FACE v. Phrases 1h.

12. Entomol. The light arches moth, Apamea lithoxylaea, a pale European noctuid moth with obscure markings on the forewings (perh. from the resemblance of its markings to written music). Obs. rare.

13. Golf. Flexibility or give in the shaft of a golf club. rare.

[Ogg Vorbis]

2 a : the combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord

Arpeggios are out I guess...

[Ogg Vorbis]

Music:

1. a. The art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds to produce beauty

Intention trumps perception? Wow, I guess that settles it then eh?

[debra1rlo]

Music:

1. a. The art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds to produce beauty

Intention trumps perception? Wow, I guess that settles it then eh?

o rly?

define beauty

[vurt]

A previous thread failed to define "harmony." So maybe that's not the best path to pursue...How about "music is what you SAY it is...like truth."

harmony already has a definition, i dont need a threads failure or success for me to know what it is.

What is it, big guy?

om.

[robogone]

Music:

1. a. The art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds to produce beauty

Intention trumps perception? Wow, I guess that settles it then eh?

o rly?

define beauty

Beauty is a corporate invention designed to promote the suffering and insecurity of the masses for the sake of profit. They say it's a state we're all supposed to be achieve, in order to ensure economic, financial, social and recreational success. There is a ridiculous double standard in society at the moment. An attractive blonde who never bothers to do anything useful gets more respect than an ugly git who has the courage and determination to get the f**k out there and do something for him/herself and this world and not be a parasite. Don't you think that's f**ked up? Or am I just weird?

[debra1rlo]

Music:

1. a. The art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds to produce beauty

Intention trumps perception? Wow, I guess that settles it then eh?

o rly?

define beauty

Beauty is a corporate invention designed to promote the suffering and insecurity of the masses for the sake of profit. They say it's a state we're all supposed to be achieve, in order to ensure economic, financial, social and recreational success. There is a ridiculous double standard in society at the moment. An attractive blonde who never bothers to do anything useful gets more respect than an ugly git who has the courage and determination to get the f**k out there and do something for him/herself and this world and not be a parasite. Don't you think that's f**ked up? Or am I just weird?

that's the one i'd have gone with.

but then i think sonic youth is beautiful, so what do I know?

[vespers75]

2 a : the combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord

Arpeggios are out I guess...

Nope.

[Ogg Vorbis]

2 a : the combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord

Arpeggios are out I guess...

Nope.

Uh..."simultaneous"

[Meffy]

Ogg, you don't honestly believe dictionaries prescribe meaning, do you? They collect and display common usage. You'll never prove anything about music / noise using only dictionaries. Never prove anything at all except "it's all opinion" but that won't stop people argu^H^H^H^Hdiscussing it.

[ozmoz2008]

Even the use of the term noise in relation to music someone doesn't like is negative. About the only "neutral" use of the word is if someone says they heard a noise. I don't think noise is commonly, if ever, used as a positive term.

So where does that leave music? Is it anti-noise?

I was actually talking more about the physical aspect of noise (not the definition of the quality of sound), and in that sense music is noise and noise not necessarily music.

This sums up my input !

For me, if it's only a definition of quality it becomes more of a personal perspective, or if you like an "a priori" one most of the time, which in our discussion becomes the "common sense".

(That's a reply from page 10...a little time ago already)

[robogone]

2 a : the combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord

Arpeggios are out I guess...

Nope.

Uh..."simultaneous"

Uh...arpeggiate more than one note at a time...

[vurt]

2 a : the combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord

Arpeggios are out I guess...

Nope.

Uh..."simultaneous"

sounds like harmony to me.

[debra1rlo]

2 a : the combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord

Arpeggios are out I guess...

Nope.

Uh..."simultaneous"

Uh...arpeggiate more than one note at a time...

that's right! i simultaneously arpeggiated last night! multiple times even!
























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