Slate Virtual Console Plugin is now available

[Compyfox]

In an 'attempt'..if I may be so bold as to use that phrase...to bring some kind of sense to this thread I want to ask a somewhat dumb question here...

There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers!

When one models a desk does one model these desks from the circuitry itself/the parts used as such/resistances/ and such ...or just how does one do these things?

Can't speak for Steven here, but IIRC he mentioned it on the first pages of this thread what they actually did.

If I got it right from most "such creations", you analyse the full signal flow to see what is going on, with all settngs on default. In terms of such a 2-plugin, you can send a signal through the input of a certain channel, then pick up the signal from the end of the channelstrip "pre" routing (you need to open the desk to do so).

As example from RhyhtmInMind's Nebula Presets (the transistor ones), ... if I got that right, he basically sent in a signal "directly" into the component, and then recorded the direct output from it rather than the full circuity.

I can be mistaken of course, but I'd do the same if I would be able to recreate a certain part: module wise. Then put it all together as one "device". Much like a modular synthesizer - an OSC alone doesn't make a synth.

I've listened to the demos and I am struck by just how different these things sound! Maybe my ears a little more tuned here...I have no idea...

What do you mean by different? Different while comparing the "plugin" with the acutal "console"? Or the different consoles among each other?

Keep in mind - no module/device sounds exactly the same in the analog (actual hardware) realm. We also don't know if the demos used additional EQ/compression, not to mention which plugins (each bran created a plugin based upon a different device, remember?). Hardware wise, you could utilize the corresponding EQ and comp of the console at least.

All factors that add to the equation.




And no, I'm not being paid for this, just trying to give the readers a different viewpoint.

[rhythmmaster]

lol at the anti-Semitic remark Steven (set that one up nicely for you by the way! I knew you'd jump on that as a diversion!)

Yet again you dodge questions, come over as passive aggressive and totally unprofessional. THAT Mr Lintz is why i bait you on these forums. No personal agenda its just you simply suffer from seriousdelusions of grandeur and need to be brought down to reality. Lets be honest i do this while im sitting having coffee breaks and it amuses the hell out of me. I'm not a stalker, no more nuts than the rest of us and just trying to ensure the world of software plugins doesnt become monopolized by uncouth developers. You are trying to monopolise the market. Its obvious to anyone with a brain. Not even Waves gets as much flak as you on forums (and thats mostly because of WUP) Doesnt that maybe make you think its YOU thats the problem Steven? Think about it and get back to me


PS-What were those desks you modeled?

[Mercado_Negro]

I'd like to discuss about each console calibration and correct values for optimal headrooms since I just discovered some interesting facts. Is this thread the correct place for that or can we take this somewhere else (maybe somewhere with a more "relaxed" atmosphere)?

Thanks.

[4damind]

One thing I learned in the last 7 years: the more people fight because of unimportant things, the more they have problems with their own reputation in the "community" or their personal environment.
Why not use this tools (or not) and try to make great music? IMO _this_ is the most important thing and not what awards are pinned on Stevens wall or in which studio he collected dust to make the plug-ins sounding dirty

Please, stopped with such nonsense

[rhythmmaster]

One thing I learned in the last 7 years: the more people fight because of unimportant things, the more they have problems with their own reputation in the "community" or their personal environment.
Why not use this tools (or not) and try to make great music? IMO _this_ is the most important thing and not what awards are pinned on Stevens wall or in which studio he collected dust to make the plug-ins sounding dirty

Please, stopped with such nonsense

Its not nonsense. Slate has been making claims about VCC for almost 2 years now and there is nothing to back them up. Time and time again he side steps questions. Would you trust someone who never answers direct questions?

[djanthonyw]

Why do you care so much? People can make up their own minds. Steven is not forcing you to use his product.

[rhythmmaster]

one word. ETHICS

[trimph1]

One thing I learned in the last 7 years: the more people fight because of unimportant things, the more they have problems with their own reputation in the "community" or their personal environment.
Why not use this tools (or not) and try to make great music? IMO _this_ is the most important thing and not what awards are pinned on Stevens wall or in which studio he collected dust to make the plug-ins sounding dirty

Please, stopped with such nonsense

Its not nonsense. Slate has been making claims about VCC for almost 2 years now and there is nothing to back them up. Time and time again he side steps questions. Would you trust someone who never answers direct questions?

Who appointed you to be the VST watchdog now?

You seem to be the only one here who has this huge problem with his CV...other companies make claims as well...and I don't see you running around hounding them...sheesh

BTW...the questions you raise have nothing at all to do with his consoles but seem to have more to do with his person....

We went around going on about his location then what he used then who he recorded with...good grief man...

[metamorphosis]

Wake me up when they get it working. Or bother to test it in various hosts before releasing it. Staying with the beta for now.
Cheers,
Matt

[Nokenoku]

..., since I have contact with Christian regarding his analyser on a regular basis. And he himself told me in one mail that he sometimes does not(!) know what certain features do.

This does not make any sense. You probably missunderstood him or assumed stuff, which wasn't said, as you just did on my post.

Maybe you're a mad genious or something - but pure plot comparisions is complete BS.

See, that's not what I said.
I just said, that I can interpret the data and know what it tells me.
If this is enough to answer a certain question depends on the issue.

I can give you two examples:
Crysonic and Sonimus!

Missquote?
This has nothing to do with the topic.

[4damind]

Its not nonsense. Slate has been making claims about VCC for almost 2 years now and there is nothing to back them up. Time and time again he side steps questions. Would you trust someone who never answers direct questions?

But will it help you to write some great songs or will it help you to make a better mix? You should forget all this stuff and set a focus on your own future and career. Fighting against developers because things they said or things where you don't get a answer makes no sense.

[Nokenoku]

It makes sense, because it is the right thing to do.
He just brought the right word into this discussion:
ETHICS

The mass is easy to manipulate. They need other people to ask questions, because they are not able to do it on their own.
I see nothing bad about questioning something.

[MFXxx]

I'd like to discuss about each console calibration and correct values for optimal headrooms since I just discovered some interesting facts. Is this thread the correct place for that or can we take this somewhere else (maybe somewhere with a more "relaxed" atmosphere)?

Thanks.

PLease do...have you started elsewhere?

[Compyfox]

I'd like to discuss about each console calibration and correct values for optimal headrooms since I just discovered some interesting facts. Is this thread the correct place for that or can we take this somewhere else (maybe somewhere with a more "relaxed" atmosphere)?

Thanks.

If this is hardware related, why not port it over to the Hardware section, then invite Steven to discuss along as "non-VCC" related poster.

Should be more relaxed and less cluttered.

(I take it you want to talk about the pan rules, the different headrooms depending on the circuity, etc?)

Would you trust someone who never answers direct questions?

Why do I have a feeling, that I encountered this situation already?
Deja vu?

*cudos to those that get it*

PS-What were those desks you modeled?

Answered a couple of pages back - read the discussion between Steven and myself.

The exact desks are irrelevant. Or do you want to bug IKM as well regarding their plugin sources? Or Waves, because the most recent analog collections only carry names of world known engineers, it's not their equipment being modeled (was mentioned in the official videos). What about Softube? Nomad Factory? Universal Audio? etc...

This does not make any sense. You probably missunderstood him or assumed stuff, which wasn't said, as you just did on my post.

It's what he wrote me a long time ago. Believe it or not.

See, that's not what I said.
I just said, that I can interpret the data and know what it tells me.
If this is enough to answer a certain question depends on the issue.

There, this sounds definitely more different than what you actually wrote. You said through the flowers that I am too stupid to know/interpret what the readouts actually mean.

Now you literally say "it can not tell you everything (to quote you: "answer a certain question"), just hint at things". This is more like it.

Or I am massively halucinating - which could be he case, I was testing the Nintendo 3DS again today, and I sipped some strong black tea with ton of sugar. *cough*


And you didn't answer my questions - but nevermind.
Not important for this thread, it'd only derail it more.

I can give you two examples:
Crysonic and Sonimus!

Missquote?
This has nothing to do with the topic.[/quote]

This can be ported over to these two specific firms as well. So no misquote at all. Remember how both development teams (or main developer) responded to questions and doubts. The same behavior, yet it was unfriendly to "ask" in the first place?

This is turning full cycle now.
And I won't be part of it.


If you want, I invite you to contact me through PM, in German (hopefully more relaxed). And if I have a spare minute, maybe we can sort things out once and for all.

[dalor]

Not everyone wants/needs to know which desks VCC models itself after and obviously this would get Slate into trouble claiming another manufacturers desk as software emulation. If you were Slate you would shut up about it yourself, or would have never made this statement in first place to attract trolls. Why would you as a developer reveal your development approaches in public anyway?? Product descriptions ALL read like marketing hype and claim never reached before features, get over it! The last 3 pages read like a nightmare over nothing. I must obviously have too much time on my hands to read this crap.

KVR is turning more and more into a Jerry Springer format