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[hvyen]

Expansion Pack Request

I'd like a Hybrid Orchestra.

Anyone else want this?


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I'm using Avenger increasingly in orchestral mixes, either by blending Avenger sounds with Kontakt instruments, or just tweaking Avenger to sound a bit like an orchestral instrument.

This is working really well. My soundtracks sound great for it.

afaik orchestral possibilities are a totally undiscovered part of Avenger.

Well, Avenger's capabilities outside of EDM are often talked about. And here we are talking about them.

Have you used Avenger successfully as an "orchestral" instrument yet?

At the moment I'm working on an expansion for Avenger, which will be released very soon.
It contains many sounds and a lot of sequences for Trance, Progressive and Ambient music, but can also be used for other genres.
Additionally it comes with some orchestral sounds. In the next days there will be a sound demo and a video which I'll post here. The final work is to design the last patches. In the creation of this I could still go on your wishes. Please tell me what orchestral sounds you imagine but note that multisamples like in NI Kontakt are unfortunately not possible. It is also difficult to design the articulations or switches for legato, staccato etc., although there are some tricks to imitate this. Of course it is not possible to create drum libraries for example where many samples are placed on one singe note.

To date, I can say so far, that the creation of orchestral sounds in Avenger is well possible, even if it does not reach the quality of the Kontakt libraries. Nevertheless, it is finally nice when you have a small collection of orchestral sounds which sound good.

Best regards,
Marcel

[kevvvvv]

hvyen

In the next days there will be a sound demo and a video which I'll post here.

I look forward to it.

You asked: How do I use hybrid orchestral sounds?

Think about hybrid orchestral music.

For a start they've all got to have a useful arp slide in/out option with the macro knob. This way I get an instant or gradual ostinato effect with ease, and this ostinato pulse is often the driving beat of the track or part. Action Strings, Session Strings Pro and numerous others do this kind of stuff. Arps are different intervals, but the most useful are 5ths and 8ths as they're always going to transpose to any chord.

Check out the Chamber Strings (I think) in the Avenger Factory set. I love this sound, and it pairs off with a classy string sample really well, as rqd. So multisample detail isn't so important in an Avenger sample set. It's the general tone of the thing, eg, strings, brass, wind, perc.

Heavyocity do a lot of hybrid stuff like this, but it's often too wild and wacky, or so individual you'd have to write the rest of the track around it.

Orchestral implies it fits in with the rest, so all the presets can ensemble fairly well together, and not sound like a mess.

Sounds can be bread and butter, but maybe with a bit of special Avenger controller polish, which is what makes them special and worth buying.

I've got a ton of synths that can make most any sound. There are endless cinematic drones, atmos, but hardly anything that can evolve and develop a bread & butter sound like Avenger.

To not use these features is krazy.

So that's it: Bread & butter orchestra, arps & ostinatos on all, with macros to go into the wilder regions.

And they all sound reasonable when played together or in groups, eg string solo, string ensemble and wind solo, or any combi you fancy.

Nobody has produced anything like this afaik.

[hvyen]

I understand exactly what you say. Before I used Action String and Strike and these are very useful for pulsative sounds. Lastly I bought a lot of heavyocity stuff, which I really love and used in my last track. You can listen to it here:

https://soundcloud.com/sense-gemini/sen ... -of-future

Yes of course, Heavyocity has its own character and the most samples are "heavy" compressed.
I think it is possible to create some useful presets for Avenger. Ostinato can be realized with Arps, chords with the macros on and off, layering will help as well and thanks to the 8 oscs (Avenger is a masterpiece), nice sequences should be possible. Let's see what will happen in the next time. Some presets I will still put in the upcoming expansion. But now I'm motivated to make a cinematic expansion (if it works as I would) after it.

[mitchiemasha]

we started a SUMMER SALE... save -20% now on Avenger and all other VPS plugins and their expansions! http://www.vengeance-sound.com

This is what I was waiting for. Trying to get 20% off expansions too is this possible, it's just doing cross sale discount.

[mitchiemasha]

Fixed it...

[kevvvvv]

hvyen

Listened to your tune. Liked the metal guitar bit. Nice surprise.

i can hear the heavyocity parts. They're good standout rhythms, but it's v hard to write a sensible tune over them, as they dominate so much. But you've used them well to drive the piece forward.

There are 3 or 4 or more different tunes in the one piece, but I guess as a showreel this is exactly what you want. All shows a lot of song writing skill, which I appreciate. Thanks


Avenger (my utter fave with Kontakt) has plenty of one finger wonders, and they're great when you're in the mood. But they're too complete. Often I end up just snitching the drums, or a bit of colour from one of the layers, as otherwise they force the character of the song too much, and cramp my own ideas.

Did you check out Chamber Strings? I love it. It's very multipurpose. But most of all it's different from anything I have in Kontakt. It's a real sounding string - yet it's not. Perfect

[hvyen]

I am very pleased that you like it. You are right. Heavyocity often dominates so that other sounds can quickly go under. It is very difficult to combine many of these elements without making it muddy.

The sounds of avenger are very interesting. Most of all I like the sequences. Just press a key and look what happens and you can see how it is made of. Even if they are very inspiring, you often only need individual sounds or oscs of the sequences how you already said. Then you would have to save these just one by one. Maybe I should save in my coming exp the individual sounds of the sequences and arps into an additional rubric, so you do not have to save the parts anymore.

Chamber Strings are awesome. I like the layering. This is a good example how orchestral sound presets could be build. Sounds really good. It does not always have to be a 60GB Spitfire library.

[babel2]

Expansion Pack Request

I'd like a Hybrid Orchestra.

Anyone else want this?

Most certainly
Avenger sounds fantastic in this role and I really like the VPS production aesthetic.
Some deeper/more comprehensive options in this area would be brilliant.

[kevvvvv]

Just taking these ideas a little further:

The key to this imo is to have presets that sound good together, sounds that blend like a real orchestra, but are all hybrids.

It's a concept approach that's needed, rather than devising a collection of presets with a vague "cinematic ambience" title for the pack (like so many others)

Having sounds that work together reasonably well together as an ensemble, with broad string, brass, wind and percussion headings, would be great. And a first.

There are enough free orchestral instrument samples available to provide the basic sample wavs to feed Avenger with.

Then compatible synth sounds can be blended in with the real sample to make the hybrid. But with the added massiveness that comes when a synth is added to a sample.

I think starting with real instruments is the key to success here, as it is with the Chamber Strings preset, which is a real find. I was using it only last night.

So yeah, outfire spitfire

[Warehouseparty]

I don't know about the copyrights of the Hollywood expansion packs for Nexus but I'm sure msvs has A LOT of good orchestral samples + knowledge/experience how to use them in described way. I guess that would be my first expansion for Avenger.

[msvs]

yes I have hundreds of recordings of real instruments from the last years... I already considered a cinematic / hybrid expansion for Avenger. But currently I am still working on a Trance and a 8Bit XP personally.

@kevvvv: try out the "PN Cinematic Piano" in Avenger, I love this, too

[dune_rave]

Just saw the current promo, and thinking bout buying avenger.
I already have these 3 wavetable instruments : Zebra,Predator2,SM One
and dunno how much extra can avenger add..... so have 1-2 weeks to decide

[generaldiomedes]

I think what it adds most of all compared to others are the access to the pro quality sound sets it opens up

[mysteryspy2001]

I Just wanted to verify what is the best way to install an expansion into avenger. Where exactly do you drag the file into avenger after purchasing it? Or can you import.? I will assume these are both options?

[kokotte]

Just saw the current promo, and thinking bout buying avenger.
I already have these 3 wavetable instruments : Zebra,Predator2,SM One
and dunno how much extra can avenger add..... so have 1-2 weeks to decide

i love zebra, i use it a lot, but, Avenger can add: Sample import, 8 arp, granular (in 2,3 weeks), easy import Wt, reziable gui, drum seq, a lot of great mod (poly number, arp rate.....i miss the zebra mod mapper and the comb) a superb fx section(rotary,multiband lim, disto....), chord builder, good unison, macro with modulation, fft filter, fm without aliasing and a big list of presets and samples.