Miroslav Philharmonik Discussion

[Wine]

So, if you want jazz well... we may just have something up our sleeve!

You know it must be done

I wonder how many votes we get on that one. We might be persuaded if there is enough interest. I personally would like it (perhaps a good enough reason on its own to do it...) but if there is a demand for it then that is an extra kick. I imagine everything from big band to modern jazz (metheny-like) and also good for Acid-jazz and some funky dance styles that are jazz influenced.

So long as there is a decent vib patch there I'm in (provided I can afford it)

Michael

[Caleb]

I wonder how many votes we get on that one. We might be persuaded if there is enough interest. I personally would like it (perhaps a good enough reason on its own to do it...) but if there is a demand for it then that is an extra kick. I imagine everything from big band to modern jazz (metheny-like) and also good for Acid-jazz and some funky dance styles that are jazz influenced.

One of the reasons I'm looking forward to the pop brass is to have a different variation on the brass theme.

It would be good to have things like this I think as Expansion Tanks or something, so that you can add what you need in components. I'm not sure if a full-on Big Band or Jazz workstation would get the same kind of focus as Miro, SS2 and Studiophonik would get.

Caleb

[harmony gardens]

I've made a peculiar observation and I'm wondering if anyone else has run into this. Working in Sonar 4PE, I'll open an instance of Philhamonik and load instruments, and maybe open other VSTs to fill out my instrumentation on a project. If I leave the project open for a while (not sure how long, but say 45 minutes to an hour) or it sits idle for a while - when I access the instance of Philharmonik it won't respond to any clicking I do on the interface. I can't change instruments or tweak knobs. The loaded instruments will still play, but I can't make any changes and have to close the instance and open a new one and reload my instruments (or load a combi that I've previously saved).

I've been having something similar happen in Sonar 3 and Project 5 v.2. After having Philharmonik open for a while, when I go to click on the UI to load a new sound, the UI will freeze and I'll get an error message saying an exception has occurred. I then have to shut the host down and reload everything.

Unfortunately this is not unique. I've also been having problems in Sonar and Project 5 with other VST's such as Kubik and ChineeKong, though the main problem I'm having with those VST's is sluggishness.

Hmmm this concerns me. Maybe take this up with the Bakers. I'm hoping Philharmonik comes soon, and I'll report as soon as I know something.

As for the Jazz Brass, yes!! If you build it, they will come Squids.

[telebunke]

Now, that we got the first users, let us hear something, if only a short lick.
I asked to get mine shipped together with the group buy, so now that the GB is extended and the way to Germany is long, especially if customs gets their finger on the package - I'll have to be patient.

tele

[Caleb]

Now, that we got the first users, let us hear something, if only a short lick.

tele

At the moment I'm still playing.
I'm trying to write a cello part, but I'm not getting that legato working.

Anyway - my skills on display would properly not be a good advertisement for the product.

Caleb

[telebunke]

At the moment I'm still playing.
I'm trying to write a cello part, but I'm not getting that legato working.

Caleb

What sequencer are you using? Once you got it right it would be nice to share the project file with others, so that they could learn from it.

tele

[Caleb]

I've shared what I've done so far in another thread. However, it wasn't that successful the first time.

I use EnergyXT.

Caleb

[Rellik]

Hey, Rellik here, momentarily (still on vacation)

Caleb, for more info, search for the thread here that was about it - I can't seem to find it. Here's a quote from IK support that explains the problem a little bit in more detail:

Dear Adam,

Hey, I FINALLY have some info for you on this...

the story is this (ah, first of all I think the difference is not which controller you use, but how its been assigned, I mean: MW will work if it's alreafy programmed in the patch, it won't if it's been manually assigned via ST UI), so everything that's programmed via ST UI (with the MIDI CTL window) won't render in these hosts it does in many other hosts, the major ones
the reason is this: some host is not "calling" an update timer that we use to update the MIDI CTL-assigned functions and we rely on that Cubase, Logic, PT and so on, they're all calling it but some host isn't.

So we will fix this problem in 2.1, to be compatible with as many hosts as possible

as an additional note:
some host has the "update user interface" option in the Render / Bounce window
enabling this will make ST to "move" the MIDI CTL assigned stuff..
I don't know if FL has this or not

Hope this helps.
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Feel free to contact me at anytime if you have any questions,
problems or need any further assistance.

**Please REPLY to this message when responding**
Thanks
Jason Williams
IK Tech Support

[Rellik]

Ok, I'm back from vacation

Currently trying to get a time-frame from Jason Williams on this. Surely this is a matter of some importance to many people here? Especially since Philharmonik doesn't even seem to respond to volume CC correctly - why hasn't anyone brought this up? Anyway, now that I'm back, I can be in more close communication with IK on the bug issue, I guess.

[Rellik]

Wait. amoment.

...

Not even normal automation works on render with Philharmonik (at least in FL/eXT).

Are people even USING this? Why aren't people saying anything? This hasn't even come up?!

It couldn't be more simple to test, now. Load an AMV patch. Record some automation with the mod wheel. Render (not realtime, if your host happens to offer that option). Listen to the result. If it works for you, feel lucky - it doesn't work in FLStudio5, energyXT, assumably Sonar4, and who knows what else.

What exactly happened here? It needs to be fixed, BADLY. My main question is why more people aren't asking about this.

[Derek up North]

My main question is why more people aren't asking about this.

I haven't rendered anything yet. In fact I haven't even had the time to experiment with all of the sounds in Philharmonik so it'll be some time before I get to the more sophisticated stuff!

Sounds like a major issue though - I wonder if it would be possible to produce a plugin for eXT which would create the update call that Sampletank is looking for (I am not a programmer so that might be a stupid suggestion). You should drop a note to Jorgen about this - he might be able to produce a fix for eXT. He's offline (moving house I think) at the moment so you won't get an immediate response.

Regards,

Derek.

[Rellik]

Yeah, I'm thinking of asking Jorgen to see if he can fix the problem if IK doesn't come through - but it's really 100% on IK's plate. Mainly because they said they would fix it, and then managed to make it much worse.

Just give it a try when you get a chance - with as many hosts that you own as possible, preferably. It's always possible that it's just something in MY setup, because so far I have yet to hear of it from anyone else - but I doubt that (but I've got to check, obviously ).

[Rellik]

By the way, just figured out that I was being stupid thinking that the AMV patches would work - they're just mapped CC's like anything else, which is what doesn't work.

[pricer]

i too am experiencing the freezing option, though in Cubase SL3 (Version 3.1.0 Build 933) - like other cases, the sounds play but the GUI is non-responsive. Installation was fine, i'm running the dongles seperately too (instead of loading all auth codes onto one dongle). Never experienced this with prior IK/SR products, so it could be a bug in the new engine?!

I'll try tonight to replicate the error and see if something directly is responsible, but uptill now the cause has just been having the GUI run idle.

[dasjambo]

alright, so the solo instruments are awesome, but how are the ensemble sounds? I need an orchestral plug-in with good, big, sound. What do you think?