KVR Audio

rockin1 · Post by **rockin1** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:53 pm

Markleford wrote:
michat wrote:So it would be nice to get the k1 romwaves!!!
I am selling K1 internal sound tables (additive and PCM) in WusikSND format for $5. I wrote some code to auto-extract the sounds, and I've Fourier resynthesized the additive cycle tables at octaves so they're a bit cleaner (which may or may not be preferable!). Details at:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100972

There's a bit of discussion in there about how it's only a pre-release, and the final will be more extensive, which is why I'd only released for WusikStation for now (which allows you to drop new multi-sample sets in without altering presets/patches).

winegums100 has already inquired, and I mentioned that it's okay to convert these sounds (with Extreme Sample Converter, Awave, etc) to other formats if you don't care that they'll be changing later on. If you want to buy a copy (hey, $5, plus free updates to the new versions!), check it out here:

http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/K10ne/

Then again, I know how you for-free wave-scroungers can be, 'cuz I'm one too! Sort of goes against the do-it-yourself or trade-it-publicly ethos to buy a package. But hey... $5!

At any rate, I contacted the tech manager of Kawai US a few years ago (as mentioned in the thread above), and he said that Kawai had no plans to revive their old synths and were content to let them be forgotten, which is a pity (and he agreed)! I've owned three different Kawai's. Good stuff.

- m

Offer these in a more common format like Kontakt and I might jump...

michat · Post by **michat** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:34 pm

Sorry, but i don´t know what format WusikSND is because i don´t use wusikstation.

michat · Post by **michat** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:39 pm

Btw, does someone know a freeware to get several files to the same sample lentgh? i want to try to get one big sample file with various single-cycle waves in order to indicate the waves with a factor multiplied with the length of one.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:06 pm

What about just using your sequencer of choice?

michat · Post by **michat** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:09 pm

I would prefer batch-processing because i´m a lazy bum!

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:49 pm

Your sequencer probably does batch processing... in SX, you'd just load all the waves to one track and shorten their lengths to your desire.

winegums100 · Post by **winegums100** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:33 pm

hollowsun wrote:
rockin1 wrote:Absolutely we're interested in anything you guys have!
Be careful!

Karma is a current Korg product and they might not take kindly to samples from that instrument (in whatever form or format) being distributed free or otherwise (and however well intentioned).

Steve

Steve, you're right. Sorry guys, but I won't upload these for fear of copyright. Cheers for the warning!

Winegums100

michat · Post by **michat** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:02 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:Your sequencer probably does batch processing... in SX, you'd just load all the waves to one track and shorten their lengths to your desire.

but if i have one single-cycle @ 44.1k with 5000 samples
and one @ 44.1k with 2000 samples, i need to get both to 5000 samples @ 44.1k, for example.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:06 pm

Ok, that'd be a tough job for sure.

soniccouture · Post by **soniccouture** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:15 pm

michat wrote:
hollowsun wrote:
rockin1 wrote:Absolutely we're interested in anything you guys have!
Be careful!

Karma is a current Korg product and they might not take kindly to samples from that instrument (in whatever form or format) being distributed free or otherwise (and however well intentioned).

Steve
I agrre with steve, be careful with that!!!

well, i have to disagree -if the samples have been re-recorded from the outputs of the Karma, they are no longer the property of Korg -the recordings are the property of whoever made them. The Karma is a musical instrument, and it's entire point is for people to use its sounds on recordings. You would say 'be careful' if you had made a song composed entirely with the Karma, so why does this situation differ? it doesn't. Its fair game, as the law stands.

michat · Post by **michat** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:26 pm

Japp, i don´t wanna spend some nights for it.

soniccouture · Post by **soniccouture** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:26 pm

anyway, here's an Arp 2600 sawtooth, in kontakt format, with the wavs seprate too. its multisampled , 2 notes per octave.

http://www.soniccouture.com/Freebies/

and while you're there, check out our new Kontakt 2 library, Abstrakt Vol.1. its very good value...

http://www.soniccouture.com/pages/abstrakt.htm

cheers

Bassballjg · Post by **Bassballjg** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:41 pm

soniccouture wrote:
michat wrote:
hollowsun wrote:
rockin1 wrote:Absolutely we're interested in anything you guys have!
Be careful!

Karma is a current Korg product and they might not take kindly to samples from that instrument (in whatever form or format) being distributed free or otherwise (and however well intentioned).

Steve
I agrre with steve, be careful with that!!!
well, i have to disagree -if the samples have been re-recorded from the outputs of the Karma, they are no longer the property of Korg -the recordings are the property of whoever made them. The Karma is a musical instrument, and it's entire point is for people to use its sounds on recordings. You would say 'be careful' if you had made a song composed entirely with the Karma, so why does this situation differ? it doesn't. Its fair game, as the law stands.

So, let's say that I mic up my stereo speakers and record a cd. I have re-recorded the music from the output of the cd player, so I can resell the music. Sounds like a plan.

But seriously, the issue is this, that the sound recording, the sample rom, is copyrighted. You can't record the samples and release them as your own or say here, have the sample rom of the Karma. This would very likely be covered by court rulings about sampling which favor the copyright holder of the original sound recording. Re-recording someone elses recording does not make that recording yours. It is a copy of their recording which you have no right to resell.

What you should, in principle, be able to do is to sample your own patches made on the karma, and sell them as your work product. But, this has never been ajudicated. There is a conflict between your patches being based on Korg's samples but your synth programming. That programming and its audible result, at least, is your work product, and you should be entitled to distribute it. But there is that conflict, nevertheless. I believe that you can sell your own sampled patches, but that is a lay opinion and not based on court precedent, of which there is none to my knowledge regarding this application of sampling. That's why the rule of thumb is that it is best to stick to out-of-production models, which are under the radar and less likely to be vigourusly defended by the manufacturer. And definitely your original patches, not the factory or third-party patches. In any event, the straight wave rom is a no-go.

Bassballjg · Post by **Bassballjg** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:51 pm

soniccouture wrote:anyway, here's an Arp 2600 sawtooth, in kontakt format, with the wavs seprate too. its multisampled , 2 notes per octave.

http://www.soniccouture.com/Freebies/

and while you're there, check out our new Kontakt 2 library, Abstrakt Vol.1. its very good value...

http://www.soniccouture.com/pages/abstrakt.htm

cheers

I just listened to some of the mp3s for Abstrakt. Outstanding stuff. Reminded me a lot of Eno's On Land, which is one of my favorite records of all time. Good, good job on this one. It's almost worth getting Kontakt just for this library. Good luck with the series.

soniccouture · Post by **soniccouture** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:53 pm

In rely to bassballjg's earlier post -

well, i agree it is a grey area. However, the CD example does not seem valid, since synthesisers are not pieces of music, subject to publishing and copyright, but are entirely musical instruments, designed to be recorded, and the resulting recordings then to be sold.

If what you say is true, Korg could sue musicans for using their synth voices in recordings, and claim a royalty.There is a big conceptual difference here.

The big companies, Yamaha etc, have been sampling each others synths for years to include in each others products. they don't advertise it, but all workstations have a wavestation sample, a 303 sample, a jupiter sample, a DX7 sample, etc etc .

I agree that if one was to sample the Karma voice set, and sell it as such, badged ' karma voice sample set', then korg would have very strong grounds to stop somebody doing that. But sample a raw waveform out and using it in a sample library is something that all the synth companies do.

what if one sampled a Kamra wave, but added reverb, and a new filter? where do we stand then?

It is a grey area not governed by precedent, as you say. But the unwritten rule in the synth industry is that you can do it, as long as its not too cheeky and you don't advertise the fact and eat into others business as a result.

Single cycle synthesizer waves