Artists and their quirks

[MadPsyance]

Ahhh, Hink...always playing the father figure. Or the Ned Flanders figure.
Never got a reply to this one by the way.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... highlight=
****sarcasm still in good nature*****

[Hink]

Ahhh, Hink...always playing the father figure. Or the Ned Flanders figure.
Never got a reply to this one by the way.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... highlight=
****sarcasm still in good nature*****

sorry I wasn't ignoring you...but dude because I believe in respect does not mean I'm a Ned Flanders...in fact far from it...

Don knows I only speak out of friendship and when the tables have turned he's given me a nudge as well, and it was appreciated...

[Hewitt Huntwork]

I was wondering when this thread would turn sanctimonious!

I think the original poster has asked a vague and uninteresting question. I think some of the members here sense that there might be something of substance that is being skirted in the interest of political correctness. As it has been asked, it seems like a silly question. Each of the original poster's attempts to clarify is as unsatisfying as the last... there's something he's trying to say without having to come right out and say it, and people are making fun because what he suggests in his vagueness seems more over the top than if he just came out (when is a pun not intended?) and said what seems to be on his mind.

Not to mention the fact that any discussion of what enables outrageous behavior in celebrities calls for speculation on all our parts. For some of us, this is not a serious discussion. Why are we talking about respect and dissecting what "should" be happening in this thread? Because it is more substantive than pondering whether an artist being gay makes us like their music more or like it less.

Notice how not one person in this thread has addressed that question? It's because it's silly (and as I've pointed out, has not even been asked explicitly).

Let me be the first: Love Bowie, love Elton. Love "Smalltown Boy" by Bronski Beat. Townsend has his moments. Melissa Etheridge is slightly less appealing than a dentist's drill. Rufus Wainwright writes beautiful songs, but his weird vocal affectations and prosaic lyrics interfere with my enjoyment of his music. These opinions, which I formed before learning about the artist's sexual orientations, have not changed since learning they were gay. To me, an artist's sexuality is relevant to a discussion of celebrity, but not to my enjoyment of their art. Your opinion may vary.

[Hink]

Notice how not one person in this thread has addressed that question?

sorry but I did in my first post, at least I answered as I see it anyhow...

[Internal Exodus]

Thank you Hink for the respect you've shown and tried to set as a standard.

Hewitt, you're absolutely right, I have been trying to be as politically correct as possible, but since that seems to be more inflammatory than merely saying it, here it goes:

Does some of the weird shit that some artists participate in in their private lives affect how you view their work whether it be hearing their work first and then finding about these oddities or hearing about them before hand affect how you listen to their work. If so, who has this happened with, what did they do, and why did it have that effect? Furthermore, has this changed how you personally write music (ie does knowing that some of your stuff will be interpreted as something entirely different than you had intended change how or what you write)?

[Hewitt Huntwork]

Does some of the weird shit that some artists participate in in their private lives affect how you view their work whether it be hearing their work first and then finding about these oddities or hearing about them before hand affect how you listen to their work.

No.

Furthermore, has this changed how you personally write music (ie does knowing that some of your stuff will be interpreted as something entirely different than you had intended change how or what you write)?

No. I am sincere when I say I should be so lucky as to be misinterpreted! If you make adjustments to what you create to avoid a reaaction that may or may not materialize, I guarantee you that the point will be rendered moot by the meaninglessness of the art created. Ok, maybe that's an overstatement... Just trying to make the point that the compromises you make affect more than just the reaction of the viewer or listener. They affect the art itself.

[Internal Exodus]

What about the other extreme though? Instead of trying to put something in a more evasive manner, how about graphic depiction of that which you are trying to convey? Is stating something in a way that is bizarre to others and perhaps grossly offensive worth the reaction you were trying to get?

[Hewitt Huntwork]

I don't view self-expression as a means to getting a reaction.

Internal Exodus, I am going to reccommend some books for you:

1) Art and Fear
2) The Art Question
3) Writing Down the Bones
4) The Artist's Way

I understand the need to explore these questions, but they are hypothetical. I think it is by grand design that, in our fledgeling days as artists, we only make what we're capable of. </yoda-speak>

The truth is nobody cares if your art is too graphic, or too gay, or too bizarre. Sure some artists may draw unpleasant attention to themselves, but that's a result of success and has nothing to do with art. Don't worry about what people think of what you do. I know someone who HATES THE BEATLES! So, if my own music is despised, I take it as a compliment.

[MadPsyance]

The truth is nobody cares if your art is too graphic, or too gay, or too bizarre

What about your parents? If my mom heard some of my music she'd probably think I was a acid freak or an art fag. But that's okay. I don't write music with them in mind, just because they potentially have more influence than any comment that anyone else has. f**k 'em? Why should I care what they think? My mom thinks anything with a synthesizer is disco. f**k her. I can't take that ignorance.

[Hink]

The truth is nobody cares if your art is too graphic, or too gay, or too bizarre

What about your parents? If my mom heard some of my music she'd probably think I was a acid freak or an art fag. But that's okay. I don't write music with them in mind, just because they potentially have more influence than any comment that anyone else has. fcuk 'em? Why should I care what they think? My mom thinks anything with a synthesizer is disco. fcuk her. I can't take that ignorance.

quite odd but daily I think I live both sides of your coin....my son, 24 has FL, he and his guitar player write some music I'm not real fond of...and my mother would be happy if I just cut my hair...but I have older songs I wouldn't play for her...

[deafboy]

Internal Exodus,

Most people are very similar. Their brain is configured to make them focus on breeding, and to make sure that they stay focused on that...

Many artists with longevity aren't controlled in the same way by their brains, because their brains are different. This allows them to see things in a different way, or possibly to see things as they really are -- depending on how you look at it. Great artists have weird brains that allow them to not care about fear in the same way most people care about fear.

Let's look at Van Gough -- aka THE EAR CHOPPER. He made tons of paintings all the time, so many, and wasn't even famous until after he died. His insanity, and complete lack of regard to normal human concerns, allowed him to create great art. If he was concerned about breeding, worried about being hungry, he would have made fewer paintings, would have gone to work in a factory, would have married someone who liked him, and when he had kids and she started nagging him, he would have given up his artwork.

You're question made total sense, and it's odd that people on here can't give a normal answer. I think your fear/annoyance with gay people is rather stupid, but that doesn't mean that gay people are typical people. A person with a 6th toe isn't normal, although even the most idiotic people wouldn't care if someone from Erasure had a 6th toe. On the other hand, it seems more likely that idiotic people would care if someone from Erasure had sex with other guys. But even idiots can make art, I suppose.

[Sleek Month]

Pertinent truths:

1. All musicians are swine. Even you.

2. Drummers are worse.

3. All art is inherently gay.

Art that isn't gay is called "craft", and is
typically more useful.

Extra credit: Compare and contrast "artfag"
with "craftsman".

4. Warren DiMartini, (...or "Warren DeanMartin" as my friends and I refer to him...), is not now and never has been either gay or Robbin Crosby's leather love slave.

This would make Warren actually interesting, and, as anyone who has ever met him will attest, Warren is as dull as boiled cardboard.

Robbin Crosby, who may have played the first half of the solo in "Never use love", but certainly had nothing to do with the second half, (The vibrato is all wrong, and Crosby wasn't really into the wiggle stick, and, since the solo ends with some dive-bombs, it was almost surely Warren), was very nice and actually became so interesting, (If "pathetic mess" interests you), that he died from it.

5. All "artists" need to get over themselves.

Are you an artist? Then repeat this, thy new mantra until it sinks in:

"I am not special. I am not unique. I will not expect others to respect me for making "art". I am selfish, and only make "art" for my own edification. The sculptures I make out of my own poop are, in fact, just poop. I will learn how to actually do something useful."

-S.

[diverdee]

Sorry my eyes were abit blurry I was confused for a minute there wondering what connection art had to subatomic particles, or perhaps even to
quirks are cool too, I have a friend who collects all his toenail clippings & his ear wax - he moulds it into little morph like characters performing strange sex acts & self mutilation- 'spose that's fairly artistic.
Some more tea vicar?

[FaX]

Pertinent truths:

3. All art is inherently gay.

Art that isn't gay is called "craft", and is
typically more useful.

Extra credit: Compare and contrast "artfag"
with "craftsman".

.

Why - sounds like a load of shit to me.
What if being an ArtFag is your Craft and you do it well.
There's a paradox for you.
Secondly what the f**k is an ArtFag ?
In what way is art "GAY" .
Actually Sickle come back with your little JPEG posts.
This thread is utter pants and deserves all the contempt it can get.
This is not based on the original poster's intent but on f**ked up comments like this which have about as much merit as a breeder on a fag bash fiesta .

[Internal Exodus]

I think your fear/annoyance with gay people is rather stupid, but that doesn't mean that gay people are typical people.

Terribly sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression I had anything against gay people (my best friend, who is like a second child to our family and vice versa, is gay. I was actually the first person he told and later told me that had I reacted negatively, he probably wouldn't be here today. Kinda wigged me out, but kind nonetheless (I think)). Its just that when I hear that one song by Erasure, I always think "And to think I originally thought this song was about a woman...."

Hewitt, thank you very much for the recommended reading material--I will surely take a look.

Quite frankly, I don't give half a shit if someone thinks what I do is gay or not. I wouldn't want my family to hear what I make though, as I think they might have me committed to some form of institution and even if they wouldn't do that, I know they would at least be quite worried and constantly "seeing what I was up to". Not going to change the fact that I'm still going to make music, whether it be for myself, or perhaps others. In addition, I don't think I'm an artist in any sense of the word--I just like the noises I make.