Is it wrong to like solid state?

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Millions of people don't want to hear this information, but there is a huge difference between the amazing guitar rigs that you see on stage, and the actual devices used to make those classic records.
what millions do you speak of that dont want hear that imformtion? Can I ask where you were when Queen released A Night at the Opera (I was at the record store getting my copy)

I ask this cause you kind of have strange way about you, like none of us have a clue and only you know the truth. Many of us actually do know a little about recording...I hear there are some hear who actually build their own guitars, some have built amps...for instance one kvr member's first amp in like 72 was built from an amp out of one of his dad's ham radios...it had a couple 12at7's, which he promptly switched out to hotter 12ax7's...I forget the lone power tube, but the amp had about 15 watts output and he built a 12" speaker cab...

I wont ever question that 500 milliwatt amps have been used in recording, in fact that's kinda like saying often tires are round. I have made many "little black boxes" for things..but you seem to think we are all in the dark...I assure you we are not...by the way as big a fan of Queen as you say you are I wonder why you omitted the name of Queen's bass player John Deacon...;)

Seeing how I use sansamp and a POD for recording and a tube pre into a 400 watt power amp with a midiverb 4 in the loop and an Aphex Aurel exciter between my Marshall pre and my old cs400, and add in that I took the time to wire my 4x12 (with celestion G35s) to stereo and down to 4 ohms a side might suggest I understand the difference between monster live rigs and recording set-ups...;)
When an amp maker endorses a band, they want to see their largest, most expensive amps and cabs prominently displayed. Fortunately, that is a good visual effect that makes the band look good and powerful. What the audience doesn't need to know, is that often the amp sound is coming from a small amp somewhere else,
where does that come from?....prove that....you need volume on stage, and volume I do not only mean louder, but moving more air...sure some shows have some dummy amps on stage...but if you think most of those cabs aren't pumping you're crazy...Gary Moore use to have 4 stacks the top slant cabs were his guitar, his bottom cabs were each used for monitors and each had a foot pedal so he could control the monitor mix.

Ritchie Blackmore used the 200 watt Marshall with no master volume, you think that was for show? That's why many bands then were very loud then because back then Marshall's were one sound amps and that one sound could only be achieved by cranking the amp.

Pete from the who is credited with cutting and 8x12 cab in two and creating the first 2 4x12 stack...but then Marshall also had the tall boy cabs which were not quite as big as an 8x12 but only had 4 12's that were staggered.

should I go on? :hihi:
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btw I saw Rick Derringer a couple times...his stage was all Peavey...one show I was at the stage (the old channel club in Boston) I saw the roadie switch on a rack of jcm 800's that were hidden...by contract rock had to display Peavey, but he had a lot of Marshall fire power really doing the job...;)
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Hey Hink - thank you, thank you! I'm not arguing with you, and I don't want to get into a pissing contest about who loves Queen the most. This thread was just about whether solid state is good for anything. I KNOW it's great - and you also seem to know this. I'm just thinking about the millions of guitar players who read Guitar magazines and seem to think that tubes are the only way to go.

Because of this silly conversation we have been having, I found something really interesting written by Pete Cornish. Of course I know who John Deacon is - and according to the folk lore, he made Brian May's Deacky amp (not sure how to spell that - which is why I didn't go there). But get a load of this! Pete Cornish made him at least another one. This just fuels my belief that we really don't always know the truth about what gear was actually used on famous recordings - but this is interesting:

Edit: I just noticed the copyright rules, so instead of cutting and pasting, here is the link instead:

http://www.petecornish.co.uk/queen.html

But thanks - because I found this Pete Cornish site, it had a lot of detail about the special AC power supply used by Brian May. It looks exactly like what I need for my studio, so this was really useful to me.
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thank you...Peter Cornish is the name I've trying to remember...if I'm not mistaken the treble boost he speaks of was also the staple sound of both kk downing and glen tipton from judas priest...;)

What's the issue with your studio?
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My studio is a standalone 3 room concrete bunker, purpose designed (by me) with non parallel walls & ceiling etc. It's acoustically treated, and acoustically silent. But my AC power is just single phase 50Hz 240V shared with my house. I get the worst AC buzz you could imagine - from all amps, even a POD. Most of it goes away if I 'ground' myself. I have a wire and alligator clip that I clip to my strings and suck on one end - that 'grounds' me really good, but it's still very, very annoying.

This explains my intense interest in battery amps for recording! I have a Pignose and little Fender amps, and will probably make some more after reading this Pete Cornish stuff.

My main rig for recording at the moment is a PodXT into a Linn Hifi amp which is SILENT and sweet sounding, and that drives my Mesa cab. Very nice, except for this damn buzzing.

I've bought a 5KVA isolation transformer with a centre tap, and i'm getting a sparkie to help me wire it up tommorow. I could try balanced power, but i'm VERY interest in what Pete Cornish did with Brians rig ... :)

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sounds like maybe you may have not properly grounded your studio...is it a 60 cycle hum?
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Really interesting to see how Peter Cornish seriously modified Brians AC30's. He replaced the tube rectifiers with solid state!

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Yeah - we have 50Hz in New Zealand, and this buzz is at all multiples of 50Hz. Not you usual fat 50Hz hum - a real buzz. My sparkie is a hi-fi expert (so few sparkies understand audio) and he says my ground is perfect (according to phase meter).

A Pod 2 prong PSU doesn't have a ground, although the ground is tied to neutral anyway. I want to create a studio where I can take any tube amp and single coil guitar, and not have AC hum. My battery amps prove that this is possible - but as soon as I use a power adapter on a batter amp, huge buzz.

I'm hoping an isolation transformer can fix this - that 2KVA one the Pete shows mentions a floating input and the ground tied to neutral. That might work - I want my sparkie to give me my own ground stakes, but i'll see what he suggests.

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I think you two guys are the first people who would willingly argue about who loves Queen more.... :P

Anyone for a contest to determine who would truly give all for Boston or ELO. :lol: REO Speedwagon...? :lol:

Seriously, I like Queen too. I love the guitar layering on Sweet Lady. His sound, IMO, was a bit more raw and huge when he still used the Rangmaster (Queen I and II, I believe). I bought a custom shop Germanium treble booster but I think I found out that Brian got his thick tone from a combination of many things, because the TB just gave me kind of a weedily sound through my rig.

I was also inspired to buy a real Vox speaker (a silver AlNiCo from '67). It turns out this was more of a transitional, though, not a Vox Blue or Silver---it had the Silver basket and magnet but with the very first Greenback cone in it, so it's like a perfect cross between Vox and late '60's Marshall sound. I love it---which I should because I think it was $300.

If you don't have any '60's Celestion speakers, I highly recommend dropping some coin for one or more---but look for undoped early GB's if you can run them with your power requirements, rather than the ones with doped surrounds (mine is undoped). Don't get suckered into buying the "Bulldogs" (they are Oxfords), or the ones that say Vox with a big ceramic magnet.

Back to the subject though---I always thought Adrian Belew and Robert Fripp got good results from JC120's, and Lynyrd Skynyrd always used Peavy SS Mace amps, to good effect, IMO. Pat Metheney basically just goes through effects and then a PA.
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Thanks for that advice. I've always been tempted to get an Alnico Blue. Once I solve my AC buzz problem, i'll be experimenting with class A tube amps. (Ooops - shhhh - I mean small solid state amps).

BTW - I had a brainwave earlier and did a strange thing that has shed some light on my problem. Neutral and Ground are both supposed to be at 0V, right? Well, considering my buzz problem, I thought - why not connect a speaker to Neutral and Ground. Guess what - the speaker buzzes! No wonder I have had major noise problems with all the amps and guitars i've tried. I'm looking forward to the surprised look on my sparkies face, and I hope he can fix it. I've got a massive 5KVA transformer that I hope will do the job, then it should be guitar heaven.

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Frippertronix wrote:Anyone for a contest to determine who would truly give all for Boston or ELO. :lol: REO Speedwagon...? :lol:
Dibs on ELO! :D

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Har wrote:
Frippertronix wrote:Anyone for a contest to determine who would truly give all for Boston or ELO. :lol: REO Speedwagon...? :lol:
Dibs on ELO! :D
No way! I like ELO more than you do, Har! I've actually been listening to them all morning...but then I always knew I was uncool :lol:
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Maybe it has something to do with personal taste. Just some thought... Nevermind.
In my OWN expirence, (good) tube amp is pleasure where (good) solid state amp is no fun. Doesn't mean it doesn't sound good right? And I'd like to put words on this feeling but I can't.

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Didn't follow the whole discussion, so don't know whether this one was already mentioned, but listen to this beauty:

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http://www.bluetoneamps.com/listen.html

and form your own opinions.

Heeb.

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I think you two guys are the first people who would willingly argue about who loves Queen more....
actually if you read it again you'll see that it wasn't my intention to say who's a bigger queen fan and really anyone here knows thats not my character anyhow...my questions were about where he got his info, especially about amps being on stage for show as I know that that is not the case..:shrug:

greendoor I have a question for you, your hum...is only on your guitar or do you have hum throughout your studio?

If it's just the guitar there are some steps you can take.

1. Sheild all electronic cavities with copper sheilding tape, make sure that the sheilding is grounded to a pot and that the sheilding on your pickguard or electronic cavity is making good contact with the rest.

2. Though I understand the allure of single coils you might be better to go with stacked humbuckers.

3. You can go with active pick-ups, like EMGs. They are a closed system and in their wiring diagrams the say you don't even need a bridge ground...though I still do and higly suggest you make sure that your bridge is grounded.

I thought about this last night for a while and the fact that you have to use alligator clips to ground it is quite severe.

Grounding stakes might help, using an ohm meter you should be able to determine if the power outlets are in fact properly. The POD should not generate any hum what so ever....I haven't really checked but I doubt the total output of POD is as much as even 1 watt.

How many guitars does it do this with? There can be other things causing your problems. A guitar doesn't just pick up the hum from the amps transformers but from any transformer it's near enough to for it to pick up the hum. Naturally I assume you are not using dimmers, if you are they are a source of noise, a vari-arc (which is expensive) will not cause hum.

One last question...what happens when you plug you guitar direct into your soundcard or your mixer?

FWIW this kind of troubleshooting is something I have been good at most of my life and I actually enjoy it...as you say pod is a two prong plug and it should not produce any hum. Unless the guitar is picking it up..a different amp wont change that, pod is just amplifying the hum.

Anyway about it please keep me informed as to what you do, I'm curious and it would be nice to store the info in the back of my mind...;)
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