HI
C/R is just about .... bareable, for me.
I had too many problems not getting access to SXV2/3 in the past - my DAW would simply not see the dongle every now and again: not good when it does this for a whole day - only to miraculously see it the following day.
It is good to give feedback to these kind of issues - perhaps a developer might see the potentially lost revenue and decide on another route.
I am with 'kritikon' on the general idea of choice - no need to get abusive ... simply give companies some feedback, if they want 'our' money they need to weigh up the pro's and con's.
It is interesting that Cubase SE initially came with a dongle and then was quickly replaced with a serial number - I know that SE was either never cracked (well it didn't need to be) or people simply did not put it up on the P to P networks - so I am told - whatever way you look at it a keenly priced quality piece of software will sell well - irrelative of dongle, Pace, C&R or no protection.
Sorry - didn't mean to get another warez type thing going - just a shame that people feel extreme protection is really going to make more people buy the product or get less people free access to it - I can't think of a much more enjoyable way of spending £60 than to get a nice plate reverb, support a developer and feel good about not downloading it for free - maybe some people might go for the last option if only to miss out on the joy's of PACE?
(Assuming that was a protection system being used)
Flipper.
Princeton Plate 2016 reverb!!!!
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original flipper original flipper https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8999
- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
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- KVRian
- 769 posts since 2 Apr, 2005
Don't people understand what the problem with "simple challenge/response" is??? The problem is, any investment in c/r "protected" software is like flushing your money down the lavatory. If you are a musician, and if you develop a love for this software, you are going to be very, very disappointed in a few years time when you upgrade your PC. You are going to want to use this software, so you install it on your new machine. Then - it is going to try to connect to the internet to authenticate this software. Now - how much faith do you have that this vendor is going to be in business, and still have the web site up, and still allow you to authenticate the software? With what we know about dot.coms, they are transient and often get sold out or just cease to exist. Even the 'big name' audio software companies have stooped to low tricks to force you to upgrade software constantly, at high prices.
I like to pay for my software. I don't like to pay again, and again, for software that I have already paid for. I don't mind paying reasonable upgrade prices, but I do NOT want to be held to ransom by multiple software vendors because I choose NOT to use cracks. But the way things are going, cracks are looking more reasonable. There is no excuse for it. The scum who want to use cracks will do so, regardless.
I use hundreds of plugins. I would go fkng insane if I had to authenticate (or lose) each one everytime I upgrade my PC. Life's too short for this shit.
Support the good guys like ArtsAcoustic, Kjaerhus, Voxengo, and many others who make great products without this crap.
I like to pay for my software. I don't like to pay again, and again, for software that I have already paid for. I don't mind paying reasonable upgrade prices, but I do NOT want to be held to ransom by multiple software vendors because I choose NOT to use cracks. But the way things are going, cracks are looking more reasonable. There is no excuse for it. The scum who want to use cracks will do so, regardless.
I use hundreds of plugins. I would go fkng insane if I had to authenticate (or lose) each one everytime I upgrade my PC. Life's too short for this shit.
Support the good guys like ArtsAcoustic, Kjaerhus, Voxengo, and many others who make great products without this crap.
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- KVRian
- 769 posts since 2 Apr, 2005
An alternative to cracks is to use impulses taken from these sabotaged products. It's not quite the same, but a better option than using a crack.
The main thing, don't reward this unacceptable behaviour, otherwise it won't stop. Reward the good guys instead. Or just buy hardware.
The main thing, don't reward this unacceptable behaviour, otherwise it won't stop. Reward the good guys instead. Or just buy hardware.
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- KVRAF
- 1682 posts since 13 Oct, 2003 from Oulu, Finland
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRian
- 600 posts since 6 Feb, 2004 from London, UK
FWIW and AFAIK, Princeton Digital is looking for a new copy protection scheme. I and some other users have asked them to implement iLok instead of their current challenge response scheme, since it works well for us. If someone else has another worthwhile suggestion to make, I think he should contact them.
Their current scheme is a real PITA.
Their current scheme is a real PITA.
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original flipper original flipper https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8999
- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
HI
I will buy/use C/R as stuff like Reaktor is so bloody nice - but I do have a keygen to make sure when I want to reinstall I don't have to rely on NI - I did of course buy Komplete and all the upgrades.
It's almost a laughable situation though - you buy the software but still cannot really say you have any real 'control' over how you use it - IE re-install at your leisure - I have wittled down much of the stuff that does use C/R including Lounge Lizzard, Tassman and a few others.
Many of us no doubt reinstall every so often and it doesn't bear thinking about the absolute nightmare in both time (LOT's of it)and the almost certain problems along the way to reinstall say Sx with the syncrosoft crap, the PACE stuff, ILok and the C/R - you could basically kiss your ass goodbye for a weekend.
Flipper.
I will buy/use C/R as stuff like Reaktor is so bloody nice - but I do have a keygen to make sure when I want to reinstall I don't have to rely on NI - I did of course buy Komplete and all the upgrades.
It's almost a laughable situation though - you buy the software but still cannot really say you have any real 'control' over how you use it - IE re-install at your leisure - I have wittled down much of the stuff that does use C/R including Lounge Lizzard, Tassman and a few others.
Many of us no doubt reinstall every so often and it doesn't bear thinking about the absolute nightmare in both time (LOT's of it)and the almost certain problems along the way to reinstall say Sx with the syncrosoft crap, the PACE stuff, ILok and the C/R - you could basically kiss your ass goodbye for a weekend.
Flipper.
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- KVRAF
- 8715 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
Sorry, but it's all the same to me - full PACE or iLok. I won't buy it with either.FWIW and AFAIK, Princeton Digital is looking for a new copy protection scheme. I and some other users have asked them to implement iLok instead of their current challenge response scheme, since it works well for us. If someone else has another worthwhile suggestion to make, I think he should contact them.
I don't own any s/w with challenge/response protection either. There are various methods of copy protection that at least aren't intrusive, once you've installed the 1st time. C/R is just too intrusive. iLok is from the PACE people, so they both lose.
Can't they at least put it onto a UAD card or something...I'd prefer native, but I've resigned myself to getting into UAD very soon. I'd rather shell out on the card and then have to buy the Princeton plugin on top, than even use a cheap iLok dongle schmongle. For me, it's just not about price - I'll pay for quality. But being a right royal pain in the bum, to me at least, is not quality. Whereas the reverb itself is undoubtedly quality.
C'mon Princeton - It's like serving up a medallion of ultra rare smoked venison on a bed of garlic mash & red wine jus, and putting Ex-Lax inside the meat and locking the toilet door. It may taste like shit, but at least at MacDonald's you get better service.
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- KVRian
- 1119 posts since 29 Jun, 2004 from within you without you
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- KVRian
- 1035 posts since 4 Jan, 2005 from Traun Austria
Hallo everbody,
I want to know something about the pace copy protection. I`ve buyed the princeton 2016 vst plugin April this year. I`ve CPU Peaks problems with CubaseSX since a half year.I don`t from where this come.
Is it possible that the princeton Reverb has to do with it ?
Sometimes when I work and the CPU is maybe 50 % it jumpes to 100 without a reason. I use the princeton in most my work.
Is the pace protection only active when the princeton reverb is loaded in CubaseSX or always ????
I want to know something about the pace copy protection. I`ve buyed the princeton 2016 vst plugin April this year. I`ve CPU Peaks problems with CubaseSX since a half year.I don`t from where this come.
Is it possible that the princeton Reverb has to do with it ?
Sometimes when I work and the CPU is maybe 50 % it jumpes to 100 without a reason. I use the princeton in most my work.
Is the pace protection only active when the princeton reverb is loaded in CubaseSX or always ????
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- KVRian
- 1144 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from Germany
welcome in the world of Cubase SX...echopark wrote:Hallo everbody,
I want to know something about the pace copy protection. I`ve buyed the princeton 2016 vst plugin April this year. I`ve CPU Peaks problems with CubaseSX since a half year.I don`t from where this come.
Is it possible that the princeton Reverb has to do with it ?
Sometimes when I work and the CPU is maybe 50 % it jumpes to 100 without a reason. I use the princeton in most my work.
Is the pace protection only active when the princeton reverb is loaded in CubaseSX or always ????
its not a bug, it`s a feature...
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- KVRist
- 228 posts since 27 Apr, 2005
This has nothing to do with cubase in specific. I`ve been using the 2016 on Nuendo\SX for months now with no cpu hiccup what so ever (a constant of about 3% cpu usage for each instance).Hallo everbody,
I want to know something about the pace copy protection. I`ve buyed the princeton 2016 vst plugin April this year. I`ve CPU Peaks problems with CubaseSX since a half year.I don`t from where this come.
what version of cubase are you on?
Best,
midi.