Royalty Free Drumloops (new here ;)

[Bob Nova]

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In the end the free loops are pulled. Had he not bought BFD but used real drums instead the loops would not have been pulled.

and the moral of the story: PEOPLE DO NOT BUY BFD BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT USE IT AT FREE WILL!!! USE A REAL DRUMSET INSTEAD!!!

Another moral might be:

The next time someone on here wants to give away some stuff , maybe they wont be so forthcoming about every detail about how the sounds/loops,etc. were created.

I sure woudnt be. I feel sorry for the guy that started this thread.I woudnt blame him if he never posted another link to anything here again.

And if it's true that the license agreement for this BFD stuff restricts your ability to use the sounds in an end product, or any way you see fit short of reselling them, then I'll be looking at other products.

Enough is enough. We already have to deal with intrusive copy -protection, iLoks, USB dongles and flakey online registration tools with all this shit. When do we EVER get to feel that we actually BOUGHT and OWN this stuff instead of RENTING it? Why do I have to freak out if the slightest thing goes wrong with my computer that I'll lose a zillion authorizations and spend hours getting it all up and running again ?....

You know, so I can pretend that I OWN it?

(note to self -appointed arbiters of morality here-I didnt condone stealing/ripping off anything.OK ???)

[Sascha Franck]

Come on guys. FXpansion are one of *the* cool companies around.
Look at their copy protection: a f**king simple serial!

All they want you is to ask for permission in case you post some material using BFDs sample content in a way that someone could *perhaps* steal some samples from.
You don't need their permission if you publish a song.
And they're quite cool when it comes to issues like in this thread (just read what Skot has said).

The other way around: Without that paragraph in their license agreement, someone could easily post velocity ramped "loops" of a single snare playing 8ths - which could then be resampled to do an entirely new drumset.
Isn't it just normal that they're trying to protect themselves against such a thing?

[jens]

my post actually wasn't directed at FXpansion but rather at guys like you, Sascha, die das Essen erheblich heißer kochen als es in Wahrheit gegessen wird...

[thecontrolcentre]

if Drainage had posted his drumloops without mentioning how he made them, chances are no-one would have given a toss .. it's being honest that's caused all the fuss .. that's a shame, that
i hope it doesn't put him off ...

[SampleStream]

I can only assume English is real hard to understand – but in short the moral of the story is


ASK first

POST later

WFT is wrong with following that very very simple request given by most sample providers.

The answer will be a yes (or better) or no – posting samples without a clear understanding of the license can lead to ‘issues’ – why do ‘issues’ when its so so easy to follow a basic request.

Why also lead guys into possible 'issues' by posting things (advice worng info) that could be detrimental to them, yourselves and end artists.

[Paul Gregor]

Lets everytime we make a song, make sure there isnt a single sample event isolated, because that could be sucked by a sound editor and that would be a violation of the rules.

Lets always keep worried and have, say, "bass + drum", or "strings + choir".

Its great news to know that now we cant record single-instrument performances and sell them as our own work. Like if the playing wasnt added value at all.

See how this soundware crap contradicts itself?

Hey, nobody ever mentions the manufacturer of the speakers!! Shame....Everytime a song is played, something should go them, too. It is their planning and talent that allows a sound to be heard...
The same goes to the mic company. Lets give credit for the whole thing!

[SampleStream]

Ok! So there are also those where it is not a case of understanding English – but more of a case of being a bit stupid, dense, antagonistic, plain arrogant etc.

[Paul Gregor]

Very nice approach, SampleStream, very nice.

Keep insulting more...

[SampleStream]

Very nice approach, SampleStream, very nice.

Keep insulting more...

I thought it was spot on in this case

[Sascha Franck]

my post actually wasn't directed at FXpansion but rather at guys like you, Sascha, die das Essen erheblich heißer kochen als es in Wahrheit gegessen wird...

I haven't said anything but what things are like.
Und danke, ich esse gerne sehr heiß.

[shamann]

Shit, some of you guys overreact. Drainage seems to have weathered this pretty well, not sure why some of you haven't.

I don't really care much about whether or not copyright is violated, but did any of you stop to consider that some of us are just looking out for each other? You don't need to have a position on copyright to know that it's the law, and some copyright holders are inclined to defend their positions in court.

So instead of this endless 'me me me' maybe stop to consider helping someone not get slapped with a cease and desist letter, or worse a lawsuit. When lawyers come calling, it's nerve wracking even when you know you're right.

[Drainage]

Hey people, It looks like the loops will be back in the near future (thanks to the great people at FXpansion)... I'll keep you updated. No lawyers needed thanks

Hans.

[MGB]

hey i really like "sushi for cairo"
nice eastern mellow vibe

[SKoT_FX]

Jens: FX certainly never requested the removal of the loops. In fact, especially once we heard them, we are all in favour. We DO have a problem if someone was making a drumloops CD for sale without consulting us and brokering some kind of deal to provide a small commission to the sound engineers who hold the sample's copyright (this is NOT FXpansion, note - these are people who have recorded the sounds for BFD, and we're just looking out for them). Nobody is ever going to refuse permission so long as the work that other people have done is respected.

If someone is making a loops collection for sale as source material for composers, then a small kick back to the guys that worked hard to record those sounds in the first place isn't so out of place. FXpansion doesn't even enter the transaction, we're just looking out for them. We wrote an instrument, and you have complete rights to use / abuse BFD for whatever nefarious musical purposes you may have. Persoanlly, the more nefarious, the better. If you intend to make soundware from other people's sound ware efforts, then we just ask that you talk to the guys that actually made the sounds, that's all.

Anyway, end result of all this is Drainage has the full backing of FX & Steve Duda in this case. We hope it will be a wonderful resource to all, and a great example of what BFD can do for all those that can't afford the space, time and/or bucks of real drums and studios.

[Sascha Franck]

Skot, as said, I respect you guys at FXpansion a LOT. I almost love you for your products, your unobtrusive copy protection, your excellent support - and probably for being all around great guys as well.

Yet, IMO there's quite some grey areas in what you've just written.
See, you're mentioning someone doing a loop CD using BFD.
At the same time, BFD is claimed to be a "true replacement for a properly miced drumset" (or whatever it says in your ads).
Now, in case I'd be buying a drumset, some mics and preamps, record it and produce a loop CD, I wouldn't have to "work out a deal" with DW, Neumann, Avalon or whomever (which actually are the "sound designers"). I would just do it.

This is where the theory of BFD actually replacing a drumset falls somewhat short.

I do understand you and your sound designers though. Just as said, quite some grey areas there.

Anyways, Drainage, bring on them loops