ableton live5 compared to fls6xxl?

[headquest]

Oh - you mean Tracktion? Well personally I know of more people who have quit Tracktion than ANY other programme, including Acid!!

Quite apart from schools and students here in my home town (more than 50 ex users...) when I stopped using it myself I saw many on the RMS forum doing the same. More interestingly, I had more than a dozen people contact me by PM to say they were stopping using Tracktion (because of the bugs and poor developer support) but couldn't be bothered to face the flack on the forum by saying goodbye (because of lot of people seemed to take it personally when frustrated users said they had enough). How unpleasant that they were too scared to post because of the fanboys!

Very sad. I'm sure that following all that marketing that Mackie put into T2 there will be a load of brand new customers of course, but lots of the originals are gone away, and were left with a very bad after-taste from all that agro.

By the way I opened my dormant copy to download the latest bug-fix - there are still bugs in there that have been there three years! THat is precisely what I meant in the post above. Customer service and bug fixing are pretty important to many of us! What are these guys thinking

[Lunch Money]

bah.

[pHz]

weve been over this before and i dont want to derail this thread too much ... but (and ill ignore the attempted fanboy goading) your personal experience (and im not doubting what you say here in terms of that) doesnt necessarily equate to a greater truth (if it did i might wrongly assume my moving away from regularly using live meant that loads of users were getting fed up with it) ...

(quite apart from the fact that the ex-user schools and students in your area MAY have been influenced by your good self in their choice to move away from tracktion ??? )

... i just find it confusing and a little petty that in a thread where you were rightly promoting live you once again felt it necessary to slight another app that isnt even relevant to the debate at hand ...

(for the sake of transparency and to avoid this being dragged up - yes i am a T2 user and was part of the betatesting team but i have no 'official' or commercial connection to mackie / RMS and would NEVER claim it to be perfect and problem-free)

... as far as im concerned this side-debate ends here ...

slainte rob

(edited for grammar)

[headquest]

ill ignore the attempted fanboy goading

Wasn't refering to you Rob - you were always helpful and a gentleman (except possibly in this post )

your personal experience (and im not doubting what you say here in terms of that) doesnt necessarily equate to a greater truth

I wasn't refering to my experience with Tracktion (which indeed we have gone over) but the surprising number of PMs I received from other people, and their experiences of both the software itself and the attitude that marred its forum for a time last year.

... i just find it confusing and a little petty that in a thread where you were rightly promoting live you once again felt it necessary to slight another app that isnt even relevant to the debate at hand ...

Goaded by ModuLR's bizaare and misleading swipe at Ableton, in fact (read back). Why do some Tracktion guys still feel a need to attack Ableton at every opportunity? I will always counter such nonsense because it is not only immature, but also misleading to others. I know that several people on the RMS forum very publically switched to Ableton, but it's still truly odd the extent that Ableton are slagged off on the RMS forum Talk about defensive!

(for the sake of transparency and to avoid this being dragged up - yes i am a T2 user and was part of the betatesting team but i have no 'official' or commercial connection to mackie / RMS and would NEVER claim it to be perfect and problem-free)

I would never have brought that up mate

... as far as im concerned this side-debate ends here ...

Fair engouh - let's call it quits then

[pHz]

Fair engouh - let's call it quits then

suits me ... as ever all i wanted was a balance of opinions ...

slainte rob

[Lunch Money]

Wasn't refering to you Rob - you were always helpful and a gentleman (except possibly in this post )

So me, then? ModuLR? All people with helpful and fair perspectives. I've given people the straight goods at all times.

As for the rest... not the thread for it, really.

[Synthbuilder]

I've tried the Latency Compensation tutorial, got 1ms latency, input that into the overall latency in the preferences menu and STILL have latency. What gives?

The compensation latency is not the overall latency. It is the latency that Live CAN add to alleviate the difference in the latency that your soundcard reports to Live and the real latency.

It is there solely to ensure that Live audio is recorded on time. It has no effect on the overall latency of Live. So a figure of 1mS says that your soundcard is reporting very close to the your real latency.

Your overall latency is determined by your soundcard settings. Live probably has no control over this as this is probably set up in your soundcard set-up.

What value do you have in the two little boxes in the audio preferences dialog? The little boxes are next to the one where you added 1mS after running the tesy. If its anything above 10mS or so in each box, then you'll probably hear it.

Only by reducing these numbers can you hope to not hear latency.

[headquest]

So me, then? ModuLR? All people with helpful and fair perspectives. I've given people the straight goods at all times.

As for the rest... not the thread for it, really.

I pesonally know you better now than to think that Greg but your name was mentioned in a couple of the PMs I received. To be honest, I think it was more to do with the overall atmopsphere than with individuals though. And the fact that some people (not you, Mod or Rob) seemed to be starting to brand others with offensive name-calling.

But I agree, not the thread for it . As I said to Rob, if ModuLR hadn't carried over the highly misleading anti-Ableton thing into this thread I wouldn't have responded in kind.

[Synthbuilder]

Delay Compensation works well for VST and AU instruments/effects, but is not yet fixed for Rewire slave devices (it will be soon).

Actually, I have reported this to the Abes on several occasions and nothing has been done yet.

But, only this week I persisted a little more strongly. I thought I had explained myself well in my earlier contacts, but it appears not. This time I hope they understand.

Actually, Headquest, if you could try something out for me to test my theory that would be great.

Does setting negative track delays on audio and midi output channels with PDC on have any affect on incoming rewired audio?

Tony

[Synthbuilder]

FWIW I jumped ship from Tracktion to Live.

[headquest]

Actually, I have reported this to the Abes on several occasions and nothing has been done yet. But, only this week I persisted a little more strongly. I thought I had explained myself well in my earlier contacts, but it appears not. This time I hope they understand.

Did you say it in German? Seriously though, that explains why it's not yet listed for 5.2, but knowing the speed they work perhaps it still will be - thanks to you

There will be at least one more minor release between 5.2 and 6.0 in August (probably 2). It's good to know they are on the case

Actually, Headquest, if you could try something out for me to test my theory that would be great.

Does setting negative track delays on audio and midi output channels with PDC on have any affect on incoming rewired audio?

I'm off out to teach this morning, but I'll see what I can do later on (or failing that tomorrow).
Cheers Tony.

[RawTheory]

Your overall latency is determined by your soundcard settings. Live probably has no control over this as this is probably set up in your soundcard set-up.

What value do you have in the two little boxes in the audio preferences dialog? The little boxes are next to the one where you added 1mS after running the tesy. If its anything above 10mS or so in each box, then you'll probably hear it.

Only by reducing these numbers can you hope to not hear latency.

In Overall Latency under settings i get 26.4 ms + 26.4 + 1.00ms + 53.8
Is 53.8 the number you say I have to lower? Is there a reason why Protools has no latency with the Digi 002 and Ableton does?

[Synthbuilder]

In Overall Latency under settings i get 26.4 ms + 26.4 + 1.00ms + 53.8
Is 53.8 the number you say I have to lower? Is there a reason why Protools has no latency with the Digi 002 and Ableton does?

Yes, you need to do something to reduce the 26.4mS. An overall latency of 53.8mS is very high which is why you can hear it.

I have no idea how the Digi 002 works in conjunction with non Protools software. Is there a ASIO driver for it? If so, you should be able to find an ASIO set up dialog box. Not in Live but perhaps in the Digidesign folder.

[diverdee]

Not to derail the thread but I am also a T orphan who was pm'd by a number of other T orphans who couldn't even be bothered to explain certain problems & issues they had with T due to their perception of the forum atmosphere response when certain issues were brought up.
Still think it has the potential to be coolio software, with some very dedicated, friendly & knowledgeable users.
A very high percentage of the people I conversed with had moved to live, some were vocal about it on this forum & others - maybe that is why there is sometimes the perception (or the perception of a perception) of a competition between live & T2 & bruised ego's. wounded feelings etc. come into play.
The reality is though that they are fairly different beasts.

[pHz]

The reality is though that they are fairly different beasts.

thats the key i think ... although personally i see no competition between them (i own both and tend to float between them and (currently) energyXT) ... using each to its strengths ... i just dont like to see supporting one app turn into bashing another one ...

slainte rob