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bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:11 am

soulkraka wrote: who knows? Only time will tell. The "universal part editor" idea IS the future though. Its basically the Melodyne engine built right into a DAW and will be a standard feature soon (look at DP, liquid instruments etc).

.. and Samplitude where it is a reality already AFAIK.

Cheers!
bManic

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:30 am

bmanic wrote:
soulkraka wrote: who knows? Only time will tell. The "universal part editor" idea IS the future though. Its basically the Melodyne engine built right into a DAW and will be a standard feature soon (look at DP, liquid instruments etc).
.. and Samplitude where it is a reality already AFAIK.

Cheers!
bManic

Really? (reading website copy...)

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:38 am

Ah, got it:

MAGIX Elastic Audio

you can now pitch-shift audio data as flexibly as MIDI data. The editor contains automatic pitch recognition routines as well as automatic pitch correction for monophonic audio material. For pitch automation, several different algorithms are available, including resampling algorithms.

And that's it! You'd think that would get more attention than that! Samp's looking pretty impressive these days.

tahome · Post by **tahome** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:55 am

They also mention prosoniq MPEX... still the best hi-end time stretch out there. I'm using it every day with Pyramix and TimeFactory.

--th

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:20 am

tahome wrote:They also mention prosoniq MPEX... still the best hi-end time stretch out there. I'm using it every day with Pyramix and TimeFactory.

--th

But MPEX is included with Cubase!

lobiando · Post by **lobiando** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:07 am

There are alot of people here who consider the documents to be "obvious fakes" but they either do not give their reasons for being so sure, OR the reasons they give for thinking so are very weak indeed.
This seems very genuine to me: very little in the document is the sort of thing that wouild naturally occur to anyone to expect to be in SX4. That is to say, the following are NOT obvious things to throw into a forged document but DO make sense for Steinberg to add to their DAW software:
Audio Part Tab
Tabbed Windows
Extended Export
Support for Multiple Monitors
New Project File Format CCCP... razve eto ne zhutko, ne podozritel'no... ex, rebyata, chto-to tam ne tak, s chego by eto, a???? Ooops! Sorry!
Well the list goes on. In fact, to me, the ONLY "obvious features" here are listed in the "Flexible Routing" section, where some problems about which we have been complaining for years are finally addressed (particularly the freely-configurable mixer and drag n drop fx.)

(And this is not to mention that alot of the new features seem to be very reasonably associated with Yamaha's acquisition of Steinberg. The "VST 3.0" section is hardly fanciful, but certainly seems to me to be describing something that actually exists (or is in the process of being programmed.))

The document is formatted professionally, and written in an extremely concise and business-like manner. It even READS like a typical Steinberg press release or ad-copy.
Moreover, this document, if forged, represents well over "half an hour's work". It was NOT dashed off in Starbucks over a latte, but would require a great deal of thought in order to produce a coherent, yet wholly spurious document. In fact, simply to write such a press release about a real product is a time-consuming matter, but to write a document where one has to first imagine the thing to be described - in plausible detail!!! - would be even MORE time-consuming than to write about something that really exists!

Well, to me there is not even a hint of this being a hoax; I will be amazed if it is not real, and if the final product does not containn pretty much everything as described here.

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:16 am

bduffy wrote:Ah, got it:

MAGIX Elastic Audio

you can now pitch-shift audio data as flexibly as MIDI data. The editor contains automatic pitch recognition routines as well as automatic pitch correction for monophonic audio material. For pitch automation, several different algorithms are available, including resampling algorithms.
And that's it! You'd think that would get more attention than that! Samp's looking pretty impressive these days.

...which is why i use it

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:30 am

Jason Brian Merrill wrote:
bduffy wrote:Ah, got it:

MAGIX Elastic Audio

you can now pitch-shift audio data as flexibly as MIDI data. The editor contains automatic pitch recognition routines as well as automatic pitch correction for monophonic audio material. For pitch automation, several different algorithms are available, including resampling algorithms.
And that's it! You'd think that would get more attention than that! Samp's looking pretty impressive these days.
...which is why i use it

Oh! You finally told me your host! Now I get it. I had no idea it could do that.

lobiando: I have to say that I think it's fishy. I agree it's well done, and the features are believable, but I don't buy the "40 bugfixes": first off, Steinberg calls them "fixes" and second, 40 is tiny compared to the amount of fixes in most updates; the 3.1 update must have 100 fixes - why boast about a less-than-normal amount? And are "bugfixes" ever advertised in the copy as a feature?? I don't think so.

And the whole audio-is-MIDI section...it just doesn't make sense. "Audio and MIDI are now essentially the same" - what? WHY? Why would I want my audio and MIDI to be the same? Like, "whoa! What am I editing here? Is it Audio?? Is it MIDI? I don't care! Woo hoo hoo hooooo!" I understand if it's a Melodyne-style pitching thing, that's great; but it would be billed as something different, like Audio Quantize, I would think. And the copy just isn't up to scratch; if that's what it is, they would've described it more effectively.

That's my two cents. At the end of the day, we're a couple of yahoos speculating on some funky, unverifiable redacted jpeg.

If I'm wrong, then I look forward to the new features.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:32 am

if one plans to do a hoax it would at least pay to do some research to make it believable. "VSTi 3.0".

Borg just released 2.4 which is going to just fine for years to come. Also, that hoax document omits the one truly remarkable update a borg beta tester leaked to me.

So keep dreaming, whoever of you refuse to believe it's not a hoax.

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:33 am

... hey man, we all have different workflows. Im glad cubarse works for you. I hate the bloody thing.

perhaps you would find samplitude under featured in someway too, eh?

I just have a hatred for cubase

... notice i didnt reveal it until something redeeming was mentioned? im a wuss

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:35 am

uhh besides.. why would steinberg have such a document in the first place?

Gordon01 · Post by **Gordon01** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:37 am

You'll also find Magix's Elastic audio in audio studio which you can pick up for around £30 but not in samplitude classic which sells for around £400

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:39 am

VitaminD wrote:uhh besides.. why would steinberg have such a document in the first place?

and why is it blacked out govt style?

if the doc was stolen, why bother blacking stuff out?

perhaps not to reveal the person who leaked it?

--- looks a bit much to me

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:40 am

VitaminD wrote:uhh besides.. why would steinberg have such a document in the first place?

Because they need something to read when they're drinking Port and smoking in The Secret Room...

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:47 am

inbeLievble! steinberg cubas sx4 !