Novation Automap Universal - Speculations

[ericj23]

OK folks - my next question is about mapping in cubase - you can control the mixers channels but can you get the mixer to open inserts or anything - i.e can you set it so the buttons on the novation are equivalent to pressing the little blue e

if this can be done I could then presumeably swap to universal mode and then automate the now open plug-in

ps has one tried moving the automap dll's to see whether they still work if in a differnt folder - and can they be renamed too ?

[bruuen]

i haven't been able to play around with it in depth yet, but i've encountered a few problems so far:

the play/record etc. buttons have stopped functioning in cubase? why did this happen? how can i make them work again?

the button's and x/y pad aren't getting automapped when i attempt to do so in learn mode? am i doing something wrong? that incredibley sucks if i can't program them! i haven't been able to take advantage of the buttons at all since i've owned this

some of the names in the novation screen are obscure to an extent on some vsts...is there anyway to manually change them?

[Omniphonix]

i haven't been able to play around with it in depth yet, but i've encountered a few problems so far:

the play/record etc. buttons have stopped functioning in cubase? why did this happen? how can i make them work again?

the button's and x/y pad aren't getting automapped when i attempt to do so in learn mode? am i doing something wrong? that incredibley sucks if i can't program them! i haven't been able to take advantage of the buttons at all since i've owned this

some of the names in the novation screen are obscure to an extent on some vsts...is there anyway to manually change them?

The transport controls only work in the mixer template (the next one up from Plug-in automap).

The buttons will automap, you just have to change the scale from 127-0 to 1-0 in the controls along the bottom.

Both of these items are in the Automap Universal manual.

As far as I can tell, you're right on the X/Y pad. I am trying to figure that one out myself.

[kotto]

When switching from one mapping to another what happens with the fader and controller parameter. Are they jump from the last parameter value to the actual parameter value or did the automap software smooth the parameter.

Example:Mapping 1
Parameter1(Fader)=10
Mapping2
Parameter1(Fader)=100

With the encoders I think is this not a problem.

kotto

[ollybfocusritenovation]

the button's and x/y pad aren't getting automapped when i attempt to do so in learn mode? am i doing something wrong? that incredibley sucks if i can't program them! i haven't been able to take advantage of the buttons at all since i've owned this

..............

As far as I can tell, you're right on the X/Y pad. I am trying to figure that one out myself.

If there's any controls which you want to change, you can edit the Plug-in Automap template -

press and hold edit.
move a slider or knob or hit a button.
you should see the CC number and ports used for that control.
e.g. the bottom-right pot transmits CC 15, on "ComnPort" & "ComnChan"

to use the X/Y pad you need to first assign another control to the parameter you want on the pad, then make the pad transmit the same data as the other control.


for example:

press and hold edit, then hit a region on the touch pad.
then change the touchpad X-axis to transmit on "ComnPort" & "ComnChan", and set it to send CC 15 - then it will mirror the bottom-right pot.
Then you can learn controls onto the pot and the touchpad will control them too!

Note that you can use any control to mirror to the touch pad. I would suggest using a button, so that you won't use up a knob or slider.

-------------


On another note, if any one wants to contact us directly with any comments or suggestions on Automap universal, you can contact us here: http://88.208.201.18/answerbase/contact.php
--------

[ericj23]

so come on - someone uses this and cubase - how well can you control cubases mixer ? and can you sue the sl's to open up the inserts on any given channel

[Omniphonix]

so come on - someone uses this and cubase - how well can you control cubases mixer ? and can you sue the sl's to open up the inserts on any given channel

In Cubase, you will use the general Mixer Automap (template 39) to control the mixer. The right hand up/down arrow buttons will switch which group of 8 tracks you are controlling. You can control the EQ, faders and panners, mute and solo, and FX send levels, but there's no way to open up the inserts. One you click the edit button with the mouse though, you can use Plug-in Automap (template 38) to control the effect parameters. Legacy instrument automap mode is still available in Mixer Automap mode by pressing the drum pad row select button, but it does not work properly with Cubase (Studio) 4.

[Trilobiitti]

I really have a problem with this automapshaisse..
Below is the pst i send to novation.


Hello
Firstly, thanks for a good product that remote SL is. I have a big problem thou with it as explaned below. In version 2 and 3 (automap universal), i've had the same kind of problem. Ill start by telling things about V3. I use cubase sx3, the required version of it, 1)i open automapped plugin, 2) assing it to a track and activate it that SL shows its parameters, 3) SL shows me all the automapped controls, so everything i need to record a killer track lays just before me;). 4) i start recording, play keys and tweak some kobs and the plugin follows . CC automation and notes are been recorded and drawn into cubases arrange. . OK. everything is fine, now i take a look WHAT have i have actually recorded, and then it hits me. FRUSTRATION!. example i used v-station for that previous scenario. i tweaked, lets say, only the cutoff frequency pot. it should have recorded CC 105 or was it104, anyway cubase shows me that actually what has been recorded is CC 15. (used the last knob on the lower knobrow at the left) Same thing with OS 2 allso, i record, say, the same knob explaned just while a go, ill still end up gettin CC 15 on the track. Am i doing something wrong..

[Trilobiitti]

and more .. If just i could get it to work so first, i load plugin. secondly, it automaps. thirdly, i record keys and knobs, pots, sliders etc. buttons as i record. and when i stop recording.

[Trilobiitti]

I should then see same kind of midi track with a CCautomation that i just played. But i just dont!

Using, copying and managin automation tracks in cubase isn't fun. together with read and expecially writemode. when eabled you really just have to be too careful when plaing the song.

[Trilobiitti]

Sorry for multiple posts.. darn forumbot thought i was speaking SPAM.. i had to try shorten my message and find the spam in my post .. word was S.U. C. K

[Trilobiitti]

BTW, if someone feels the same and wants to compare setup, here is mine.

i use pc, 3200 amd, 1g memory. dont remember what the MoBo is, (home right now). USB is 2.0
XP professional
2x powercore
creamware scope
CubaseSX3, live and reason sometimes.
+ outboard gear like Nordrack2 etc.

[Omniphonix]

I should then see same kind of midi track with a CCautomation that i just played. But i just dont!

Using, copying and managin automation tracks in cubase isn't fun. together with read and expecially writemode. when eabled you really just have to be too careful when plaing the song.

I don't know what you're talking about, managing VST automation tracks is MUCH better than managing CC tracks in MIDI events. That was one of the things that got me so excited about the SL.

This issue you're having is not a bug, this is by design. The SL controls plugins with Automap using calls to the VST automation functions. Only the static plugin templates will do MIDI CC.

[Trilobiitti]

well. that i understand. But tell me, how you fluently record midinotes and automation in cubase.. enable write, record, tweak, stop recording, disable write, open vstfulder in arrange, drag current plugins automationfolder under miditrack, find all automated parameters, .. then duplicate the recorded, say, 4 bars, copy mididata to next bars, open automationtrack for instrument, activate all poins in automationcurve, drag n'copydrop it under copyed mididata.. and you say THAT is MUCH better???!!! than just record one track for notes and another for cc:s, and jut copy them without worrying about anything.

[Omniphonix]

well. that i understand. But tell me, how you fluently record midinotes and automation in cubase.. enable write, record, tweak, stop recording, disable write, open vstfulder in arrange, drag current plugins automationfolder under miditrack, find all automated parameters, .. then duplicate the recorded, say, 4 bars, copy mididata to next bars, open automationtrack for instrument, activate all poins in automationcurve, drag n'copydrop it under copyed mididata.. and you say THAT is MUCH better???!!! than just record one track for notes and another for cc:s, and jut copy them without worrying about anything.

Well, I don't usually move the automation tracks from their default position. I also don't usually record notes and controllers at the same time, but yes, enabling Write mode on the instrument is how you would do this. You can right-click empty space in the track list and select "Show All Used Automation" to easily access the automation tracks. There is also a function to have automation follow the MIDI event when copying or moving if you go to Edit > Automation Follows Events.

It sounds to me like you're just more comfortable working with MIDI CC because you haven't dug in and learned how to work with VST automation efficiently.