this would also prevent mixer strips from being a different length when the eq is showing.jens wrote:I don't think the mixer needs to be scalable - this probably would use a considerable amount of coding-time which could be used to fix stuff instead... - I think Jorgen should just add scroll-buttons for the bins, remove the vertical scrollbar and be done with it.
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- KVRAF
- 2237 posts since 12 Nov, 2002 from swordfish
wrongtastic, baby
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- KVRAF
- 25008 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
here the length doesn't change if I switch to eq-view - also imo shouldn't happen - what's you screen-resolution?-
- KVRAF
- 2237 posts since 12 Nov, 2002 from swordfish
it's the same length until you add more than three inserts or sends
wrongtastic, baby
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- KVRAF
- 25008 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
well, I really don't get you - that's exactly the problem I was mentioning all along which could simply be avoided by adding scroll-buttons to the bins instead of resizing the mixer - this has got nothing to do with the eq - it seems we're going in circles here - what is it that I'm not getting?
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- KVRAF
- 2237 posts since 12 Nov, 2002 from swordfish
exactly, i'm agreeing with you. right now you can have ridiculously long mixer strips, but if you switch one to eq, that one gets shorter than the others and looks weird. i agree that fixed-size effects bins with scroll buttons would solve all of this.
wrongtastic, baby
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tucson's number one gothic rock band since 1995
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- KVRAF
- 25008 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
insertpizhere wrote:exactly, i'm agreeing with you. right now you can have ridiculously long mixer strips, but if you switch one to eq, that one gets shorter than the others and looks weird. i agree that fixed-size effects bins with scroll buttons would solve all of this.
Now I get you!
I thought you meant it as an argument for supporting your suggestion to make the mixer scalable...
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
From both end of the scale then it's not that great. First you open up this massive mixer (vertically) to make way for these EQ components so that it can't really do anything but take up your whole screen with empty space most of the time, and then when you do start getting really heavy on the inserts etc.. it becomes even bigger vertically and not really usable at all.
I like the idea of scrollable effect bins. If you control-mousewheel they should scroll. I don't know if you need a scrollbar on each bin though - that might be a bit painful, but you do need a way to indicate that there are more effects either above or below the ones that are visible.
I think we should also be able to configure when the effects go into scroll mode (within reason) so that those of us who like to only have room for two sends and two inserts most of the time can scroll when we need to find that rare 3rd insert etc. and in the meantime we get a smaller (vertically) mixer that we might be able to dock in the tab as something else?? Well maybe not - but it's an idea anyway.
I don't really like the way the EQ have dictated the minimum height of the mixer as for alot of your recording etc.. you're just staring at big empty bins taking up space - I still wish you could decide how many bands of EQ you're going to use (if at all) and use the EQ bins similarly to the insert FX bins (on a different page as it is now is fine).
I mean why do we NEED to have 4 bands of EQ loaded on every channel in the mixer?
Regards
Caleb
I like the idea of scrollable effect bins. If you control-mousewheel they should scroll. I don't know if you need a scrollbar on each bin though - that might be a bit painful, but you do need a way to indicate that there are more effects either above or below the ones that are visible.
I think we should also be able to configure when the effects go into scroll mode (within reason) so that those of us who like to only have room for two sends and two inserts most of the time can scroll when we need to find that rare 3rd insert etc. and in the meantime we get a smaller (vertically) mixer that we might be able to dock in the tab as something else?? Well maybe not - but it's an idea anyway.
I don't really like the way the EQ have dictated the minimum height of the mixer as for alot of your recording etc.. you're just staring at big empty bins taking up space - I still wish you could decide how many bands of EQ you're going to use (if at all) and use the EQ bins similarly to the insert FX bins (on a different page as it is now is fine).
I mean why do we NEED to have 4 bands of EQ loaded on every channel in the mixer?
Regards
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRist
- 370 posts since 18 Feb, 2005 from Barcelona
I'm with you, Caleb!
For me it's just annoying to have a very big mixer eating space in the monitor so plus been scrollable I think bins should also be foldable, having an indication that's something inside.
In most digital consoles, you select which function do you want to work with and you get a separate and dedicated window with all the necessary controls. This one could be floating or context sensitive.
For me it's just annoying to have a very big mixer eating space in the monitor so plus been scrollable I think bins should also be foldable, having an indication that's something inside.
In most digital consoles, you select which function do you want to work with and you get a separate and dedicated window with all the necessary controls. This one could be floating or context sensitive.
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- KVRAF
- 25008 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
being used to this for years from Sonar and thinking it works perfectly there I can't see why.Caleb wrote: I don't know if you need a scrollbar on each bin though - that might be a bit painful
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
Well - other than the fact that the Sonar mixer scares the hell out of me.... 
I probably wouldn't do it the scrollbar way myself, but that's just a personal opinion. I loaded up the mixer and had a look and you could fit a scrollbar in there if you needed to without necessarily increasing the width of the channels. The inserts only have a 0-100 label that could get pushed next to the on/off button dynamically and likewise the send amount could move to make room.
Regards
Caleb
I probably wouldn't do it the scrollbar way myself, but that's just a personal opinion. I loaded up the mixer and had a look and you could fit a scrollbar in there if you needed to without necessarily increasing the width of the channels. The inserts only have a 0-100 label that could get pushed next to the on/off button dynamically and likewise the send amount could move to make room.
Regards
Caleb
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRAF
- 25008 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
yes, that's a good point...Caleb wrote: I loaded up the mixer and had a look and you could fit a scrollbar in there if you needed to without necessarily increasing the width of the channels.
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- KVRAF
- 10366 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK
- collapsible FX/EQ panels? (open them when you need them)
- and even a double-decker mixer?
Big pic:
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3262/mixer2is2.png
[Quickly mocked up, don't worry aobut the copied&pasted channel names]
- and even a double-decker mixer?
Big pic:
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3262/mixer2is2.png
[Quickly mocked up, don't worry aobut the copied&pasted channel names]
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- KVRist
- 199 posts since 19 Sep, 2006
Wow I think DarkStar's idea is very good:
Without making it double-decker you get more room for the effects, more room for the eq (perhaps it will get modular later on) and you gain precision in the fader without holding a control_key.
Without making it double-decker you get more room for the effects, more room for the eq (perhaps it will get modular later on) and you gain precision in the fader without holding a control_key.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5350 posts since 8 Aug, 2003 from Berlin Germany
No comments on the first post?
I would have thought people would love it or hate it.
When I requested this for another host they went nuts!
I would have thought people would love it or hate it.
When I requested this for another host they went nuts!
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- KVRAF
- 25008 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
FragileX wrote:Wow I think DarkStar's idea is very good:
Without making it double-decker you get more room for the effects, more room for the eq (perhaps it will get modular later on) and you gain precision in the fader without holding a control_key.
+756.940.354
brilliant idea, Darkstar!
