KVR Audio

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:27 pm

Oh I forgot......ALWAYS BASE YOUR DECISION ON WHAT'S OUT NOW!

Sorry for shouting, but "promises" are never gong to get it......hoping "this" new thing will eventually come out and fix a problem is a bad idea!

Yes, sour grapes from me for having to wait so long for UB updates.....but it's still good advice

Dominus · Post by **Dominus** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:07 am

hibidy wrote:
j. One definate myth I want to expel........macs are not necessarily more reliable than pc's! However, macs do seem to have the ability to fit hardware and software "together" a bit better.

If Microsoft built computers they'd "just work" too. The XBox "just works"* because they control what hardware goes in it. Same thing with Apple.

*Aside from overheating or whatever, it does what it's supposed to do.

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:19 am

Bad analogy, the xbox 360 is failing badly with hardware issues know as the ring of death. Apparently its sensitive to mains surges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_t ... l_problems

Dominus · Post by **Dominus** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:19 am

Right, but the OS/Hardware function together. That was my point.

nakins · Post by **nakins** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:11 am

I haven't read all of this thread, but I don't think you going to do yourself any favors by switching to mac hardware to run xp on. And I don't want to offend any mac users, but there really is no difference in hardware now, the only real difference is in the OS. OSX is a unix based OS. Processors are all cisc based. Old macs were risc based. I bought a macbook pro for photographic reasons. My partner wanted it. I hate it. Unless you want an app that the windows version is unavailable or sucks. I would stick to what you already know, and know how to deal with when things go to Brownsville.

mcgwd · Post by **mcgwd** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:34 am

Running XP home my new MacBookPro and actually this is the best m$ experience yet.It has not blue screened or even stuttered once.If Apple gets too lost in its world domination mode, I am going back to Cubase and be done with it till the tides turn once again.This is the best part on the new intel mac's "OS choice", get what you need to use and know if the otherside is better at the time jump on over.Win/Win for the consumer.

johnny2johnny · Post by **johnny2johnny** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:46 am

HP, says on their website, that they strongly recomend 2 gigs of ram for vista....... This is insanity, microsoft has really screwed this up....

I guess, the average buissiness exec, likes to have 2.4 gigahertz dual core cpu's to make his operating system and powerpoint work....

if he gets 4 gigs of ram, he can even multi-task and search the web for a hot date in Iexplore....

I just think, they are both evil... both mac/pc the hardware couldnt be that much different anymore...

Ok, I did not know if I should put this in the vista thread,

or the talk to me about switching to mac thread...

its all in the os, and if mac really starts to become more popular its because microsoft left us with little choice.

I have a pentium 4, yeah, like really sad I know. actually I have only been producing for 2 years, I used to just play a regular old instrument,..... Lately, and this is probably a good thing, my computer just cant handle what I am trying to do with my productions.....

Thus I am now in the market for a comp... need a great lappy..... I can only afford one comp, and totally want to do all sorts of performing and such with it......

now, am I getting off topic?

I dunno, really a pc, frankly, I think a PC is a great idea, if it would run OSX

but, and this is the wierd thing,,,,, To find a pc, with like T1 firewire, and 7200 rpm hard disk, and 2 gig of ram, and lots of usb 2.0 is very expensive, unless you go with the mac book pro.....

1 its really sad, especially for me, cause I cant stand apple, I mean, its just as evil, it really is... Its not something special, and its not something cool, and its just as evil as microsoft....

2 I would have loved to have seen a version of vista, meant for the creatives, you know with out the whole impress my hooker at the conference table, with my dual core making my operating system work........ You know, something from ground up, totally lite, and fly quick stuff. for running programs, that is what microsoft should have done.

That would have kicked apples butt... I mean to have an ultra lite, super quick os, without LInux, and its HIV multiple strain syndrome...... is exactly what the world needed

on the new hardware something like that would just fly....

but now its like all the people who just stayed away from apple, cause they are so expensive, and really kinda a gimmick, have some serious and good reasons to go...

why should 2.4 dual core chips, and 2 gigs of ram, be a requirement for your oS, thats crazy, after you spend all that money, on a new computer, for audio production, you find out, you can just barely make a track....

This makes a mac book pro, the least expensive laptop around...

I just think, that is so sad....

if I stick with xp..... I am now, years behind....

its crazy, Microsoft really messed this up......

and also, I have been to so many websites recently looking for a laptop, and to get the same hardware as an MBP, a 7200 rpm hard disk, 2.4, 2 gigs ram... blah blah, t1 firewire, all the stuff that is said on kvr

is actually more expensive in pc world than it is on mac...

oh ok, thats my two cents.... not that I really know much about this stuff anyways...

Integratron · Post by **Integratron** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:31 am

Don't waste your time!

Adambomb337 · Post by **Adambomb337** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:46 am

Can anyone explain why I should get a AppleCare Protection Plan (APP)?

Am I able to buy cheaper RAM and harddrive for the macbook pro somewhere else?

Will I be fine with a 5400 rpm harddive and 2 GB RAM for live use?

Does the final version of Cubase SX3 run better on windows or osx?

Does ableton live run better on windows or osx?

b-pole · Post by **b-pole** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:49 am

Reason v3.05 runs perfectly on OS X v10.4.10

stk · Post by **stk** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:21 pm

As someone mentioned earlier, you're gonna gain little love by switching just through some perceived "betterness" of osx over windows.

I think you need to seriously consider why you're thinking of going mac. Is it, as you mentioned, merely a marketing thing? It's possible. Then again, why care?

Now I'm no mac fan, but I'm certainly no windows fanboi either. Anyone with half a brain can see that apple and ms are as stupid, duplicitous and retarded as one another. Vista obviously blows. The macs at work crash more often than the dell pcs. But give me a minute and I could crash either in equal time.

Anyway, like I said, examine your motives more closely.

sk

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:18 pm

A bit late to the party/thread, but here's my (mostly personal) experiences and opinions (fwiw, I'm using a Macbook for music and a Windows laptop or Windows via Bootcamp for absolutely anything else):

- OSX vs. XP
IMO, none of them wins. OSX is indeed a tad easier to set up and maintain than Windows, but once you have aquired a bit of knowledge about how to avoid certain plagues under Windows and possibly optimize it a bit, it's just as easy, if a bit different.
I totally agree that Vista so far is looking like a huge pile of utter crap, but then, I'd guess most soft- and hardware companies will support XP for a whole while to come (at least for long enough to build a new machine around XP - the machine will be outdated faster than XP itself).
Yet, this *is* a point for OSX.

- Used parts in Macbooks and Windows laptops
Someone said Apple would use quality parts to build their laptops. That might've been true for the pre-Intel generation but with their current machines, their using cheap ass components. People are queing at the Apple Service Centers to have their socalled superdrives replaced (I'm on the second one already, a friend is on his third one, all inside a year). And once you're out of warranty, you need to buy straight from Apple, which would cost a fortune, whereas you can get generic CD/DVD drive replacements for most PC laptops for around 20 bucks.
The same goes for the onboard audio chip, which is about as cheap as it gets.
iMacs seem to be similar, as they use a lot of laptop parts. Plus, you can't even exchange the harddrive yourself anymore.
No idea about Mac Pros, they might be somewhat different.
However, people may say what they want, maintainance costs are higher on the Mac side of things (just to give you an example: Replacing the mainboard of a G5 costs you 800 Euros for the board, 200 for the service - pure robbery).
One other thing to note: On Macbooks you are pretty limited regarding connectivity. 2 USB ports only would make me laugh if it wasn't that sad. On most PC laptops of the same price you'll get 3 or 4, a PCMCIA or ExpressCard slot, a cardreader and what not. And most newer PC laptops also have proper 6pin FW400 connections.

- Windows and Mac software
What are you going to use on OSX? In case it's not Logic (which I wouldn't recommend in its current state anyways, even if I'm using it myself), I can't see much of a reason why anybody wanted to switch in case he/she is already familiar with Windows.
The free and cheap software scene is almost not existing for OSX, you'll miss a lot of great plugis and any decent audio editor.
Others than for OSX perhaps becoming the only alternative to Vista in a number of years, I can't see why one would go OSX for the software side of things (unless you're using a Mac-only software, which doesn't seem to be the case, more like the opposite).

- Windows on Macs
It's running OK, but as has been said, without some hacks you won't be able to use more than 2 partitions in total anymore, one for OSX, one for Windows. I find that to be quite dissapointing as multiple partitions have always helped me majorly in terms of system maintainance.
Also, the two OSs sort of affect each other, for instance when setting the date.
Parallels isn't exactly great either as demanding applications won't run with full power, plus, you can't install proper audio drivers. Haven't tried VMware/Fusion yet.

Improv · Post by **Improv** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:36 pm

HelgeG wrote:
Dominus wrote: Bootcamp is not the only alternative for running XP/Linux. Both Parallells and Fusion (VMWare) let you run other OSes.

I don't think that VMware does Midi though...???

Adambomb337 · Post by **Adambomb337** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:31 pm

What would be the best sound card to use with a mac for live use?

Adambomb337 · Post by **Adambomb337** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:48 pm

Sascha Franck wrote: Parallels isn't exactly great either as demanding applications won't run with full power, plus, you can't install proper audio drivers. Haven't tried VMware/Fusion yet.

Does leopard have this problem too?

Talk to me about switching to Mac...and still running XP