When Are We Going To See Logic/Garageband On The iPad?

[tomg]

As soon as I see someone do precision graphics and CAD work with their finger I'll shut up.

Because that's the only kind of 'creative use' of a computing device you can think of?

No because you can't do it with your finger. The whole idea that the tablet market never took off is flawed anyway. Fujitsu sells millions of tablets for medical and scientific use every year.

[brambos]

As soon as I see someone do precision graphics and CAD work with their finger I'll shut up.

Because that's the only kind of 'creative use' of a computing device you can think of?

No because you can't do it with your finger.

I don't get your point. There are a lot of things I can't do with a finger. That doesn't mean there isn't any possible user interface paradigm that would allow one to make music through multi-touch.

It just means you can't force-fit today's mouse/keyboard UIs directly into a touch-screen and expect them to work just as nicely. And that's exactly why all other tablets are failing and Apple is selling truckloads.

[ModuLR]

Why buy a blank slate? By definition it does nothing Id rather buy soemthing made for the job. Which I did, EMU Xboard 49, 16 real knobs. Works for midi out of the box. Even if I add my netbook to the cost, they both come to way less than an ipad. As for it being wireless, thats a potenital issue as it just adds another layer of complexity which isnt needed for a controller. Im sure you and others will enjoy one but its not a game changer, its a solution looking for a problem. Im sure Apple wil sell loads though

Hmmmm, your desktop/laptop is a blank slate in that it requires software to derive any functionality.. it really seems that folks are grasping at straws here. It being wireless is about as complex as knowing the mere basics of modern computers.

[UltraJv]

Why buy a blank slate? By definition it does nothing Id rather buy soemthing made for the job. Which I did, EMU Xboard 49, 16 real knobs. Works for midi out of the box. Even if I add my netbook to the cost, they both come to way less than an ipad. As for it being wireless, thats a potenital issue as it just adds another layer of complexity which isnt needed for a controller. Im sure you and others will enjoy one but its not a game changer, its a solution looking for a problem. Im sure Apple wil sell loads though

Hmmmm, your desktop/laptop is a blank slate in that it requires software to derive any functionality.. it really seems that folks are grasping at straws here. It being wireless is about as complex as knowing the mere basics of modern computers.

Totally different. Any PC/Mac already has the right apps ready to be installed. With ipad, as this thread shows, the apps arnt there yet. This is because its a new platform and dosnt use an X86 CPU so everything has to be rewritten. As for wireless being mere basics, for computers yes, for DAW - no. Some owners have found ipad dosnt work well with wifi and has to be up close to a router to see it. As for grasping at straws, some people havnt done thier homework and dont know what the ipad is or what issues it currently has.

[brambos]

This is because its a new platform and dosnt use an X86 CPU so everything has to be rewritten.

More importantly: everything has to rewritten because the iPad sports a totally new interaction paradigm. Even if the iPad was X86, just putting a conventional PC app onto it would suck because it's not meant to be interacted with like a conventional PC.

People keep forgetting that.

If you want to run your current sequencer/host on a mobile platform, buy a laptop. If you want to explore new ways of creative expression - keep an eye on the iPad platform.

[UltraJv]

This is because its a new platform and dosnt use an X86 CPU so everything has to be rewritten.

More importantly: everything has to rewritten because the iPad sports a totally new interaction paradigm. Even if the iPad was X86, just putting a conventional PC app onto it would suck because it's not meant to be interacted with like a conventional PC.

People keep forgetting that.

If you want to run your current sequencer/host on a mobile platform, buy a laptop. If you want to explore new ways of creative expression - keep an eye on the iPad platform.

"new ways of creative expression" come on - its just a touch sensitive surface. Can you tell me what expression it will do that my xboard 49 cant? Buy one by all means but please dont lets pretend its going to make you a musical genius The Theremin had capacitive non touch response in 1928. That really was new in its day. Some keyboards and controllers in the 80s had touch sensitive ribbons. Saying that the ipad has a new interaction paradigm is stretching it. Do you work for apple marketing?

[TristezaOrange]

If the battery life was there, I'd prefer a Win 7 tablet with FL Studio, sequencing using a stylus instead of any capacitive, ARM-based tablet. Hopefully, in the future I'm going to be able to get just that.

[koalaboy]

"new ways of creative expression" come on - its just a touch sensitive surface. Can you tell me what expression it will do that my xboard 49 cant? Buy one by all means but please dont lets pretend its going to make you a musical genius The Theremin had capacitive non touch response in 1928. That really was new in its day. Some keyboards and controllers in the 80s had touch sensitive ribbons. Saying that the ipad has a new interaction paradigm is stretching it. Do you work for apple marketing?

It's not the 'first' but it's very different to all those you've stated because it's not just about the 'touch' aspect. The 'display' is the interaction surface.

Sure, tablet PCs have done this but they didn't approach the usability aspect of the interface. The Lemur was along the right lines, but the flexibility is limited.

If you don't appreciate the advantages a multitouch surface that is also a display, then by all means ignore these devices and stick with what you know. Nobody is forcing you to buy an iPad.

Unfortunately, it seems that those people who can't see the benefits feel the need to berate the iPad. Rather than a straight "no, it's not for me" it becomes "this is useless / overpriced / has been done before etc."

I imagine, in 12 months time when there's a cheaper mass-market non-apple touch device out with some open-source software running on it, it will be heralded as the next generation of music making

What is it they say ? "Haters gonna hate"

[pc999]

If the battery life was there, I'd prefer a Win 7 tablet with FL Studio, sequencing using a stylus instead of any capacitive, ARM-based tablet. Hopefully, in the future I'm going to be able to get just that.

That is a workaround, altought a good one.

Just one question

If Image-Line did released a limited app* that you could later export for the full FL, for a 200-300$ (no Windows, maybe webOS/android/symbian^3) tablet with a dual-core eg tegra 2) a better interface and all day battery life what would you prefer



* lets say it is enought to get to sequencing with samples and a cut down version of their synths, stil not enought power for to many VST and/or mastering.

[UltraJv]

"new ways of creative expression" come on - its just a touch sensitive surface. Can you tell me what expression it will do that my xboard 49 cant? Buy one by all means but please dont lets pretend its going to make you a musical genius The Theremin had capacitive non touch response in 1928. That really was new in its day. Some keyboards and controllers in the 80s had touch sensitive ribbons. Saying that the ipad has a new interaction paradigm is stretching it. Do you work for apple marketing?

It's not the 'first' but it's very different to all those you've stated because it's not just about the 'touch' aspect. The 'display' is the interaction surface.

Sure, tablet PCs have done this but they didn't approach the usability aspect of the interface. The Lemur was along the right lines, but the flexibility is limited.

If you don't appreciate the advantages a multitouch surface that is also a display, then by all means ignore these devices and stick with what you know. Nobody is forcing you to buy an iPad.

Unfortunately, it seems that those people who can't see the benefits feel the need to berate the iPad. Rather than a straight "no, it's not for me" it becomes "this is useless / overpriced / has been done before etc."

I imagine, in 12 months time when there's a cheaper mass-market non-apple touch device out with some open-source software running on it, it will be heralded as the next generation of music making

What is it they say ? "Haters gonna hate"

Im not a hater I just dont see the value in it. At any time I could have bought a Wacom digitizer pad that would do similar things. If you want a device like this to make music then thats fine. When the clones come, I wont be intersted in them either as I already have a netbook which is a good enough toy as it is. My 7 year old Palm T had touch screen and that was bad enough. Thats the issue, these things are just toys, I dont have an issue with saying that about my netbook - why get evangelical about the ipad?

[pc999]

Im not a hater I just dont see the value in it. At any time I could have bought a Wacom digitizer pad that would do similar things. If you want a device like this to make music then thats fine. When the clones come, I wont be intersted in them either as I already have a netbook which is a good enough toy as it is. Thats the issue, these things are just toys, I dont have an issue with saying that about my netbook - why get evangelical about the ipad?

I wouldnt call a netbook a toy, I do real work on it, sure I cant use it as I use my desktop or, if I, try finish it but I can do some real work that I later finish in my desktop.

On my desktop I have a lot less to do.

[koalaboy]

Im not a hater I just dont see the value in it. At any time I could have bought a Wacom digitizer pad that would do similar things. If you want a device like this to make music then thats fine. When the clones come, I wont be intersted in them either as I already have a netbook which is a good enough toy as it is. My 7 year old Palm T had touch screen and that was bad enough. Thats the issue, these things are just toys, I dont have an issue with saying that about my netbook - why get evangelical about the ipad?

It's no more a 'toy' than a laptop is though, compared to my desktop. I'm not getting evangelical about it, or suggesting everyone should get one - I'm just wondering why people feel the need to dissuade the world regarding the iPad, when it obviously does serve a purpose (or several) to many other people.

Does it replace my desktop for making music ? Hell no, but then neither do any laptops, netbooks, android phones, etc. However, it's a great sketchpad, touch controller, ebook reader, web browser, casual games player, multi-funtional device that suits me perfectly when away from my desktop.

It's not a toy, but it's a luxury - I certainly didn't "need" it, but then I could say that about the vast majority of my life

For any 'serious' work though, it's my desktop, and always will be - unless they manage to fit the UAD2 Quad, Sonic-Core pro, i7 920, Radeon 4850 and two 24" monitors, all into a silent laptop

[UltraJv]

Im not a hater I just dont see the value in it. At any time I could have bought a Wacom digitizer pad that would do similar things. If you want a device like this to make music then thats fine. When the clones come, I wont be intersted in them either as I already have a netbook which is a good enough toy as it is. My 7 year old Palm T had touch screen and that was bad enough. Thats the issue, these things are just toys, I dont have an issue with saying that about my netbook - why get evangelical about the ipad?

It's no more a 'toy' than a laptop is though, compared to my desktop. I'm not getting evangelical about it, or suggesting everyone should get one - I'm just wondering why people feel the need to dissuade the world regarding the iPad, when it obviously does serve a purpose (or several) to many other people.

Does it replace my desktop for making music ? Hell no, but then neither do any laptops, netbooks, android phones, etc. However, it's a great sketchpad, touch controller, ebook reader, web browser, casual games player, multi-funtional device that suits me perfectly when away from my desktop.

It's not a toy, but it's a luxury - I certainly didn't "need" it, but then I could say that about the vast majority of my life

For any 'serious' work though, it's my desktop, and always will be - unless they manage to fit the UAD2 Quad, Sonic-Core pro, i7 920, Radeon 4850 and two 24" monitors, all into a silent laptop

I'm just wondering why people feel the need to persuade the world regarding the iPad? Maybe its Apples marketing, I mean they are late to the party with touch screen and in good tradition, they convince fanbois that they were first and its amazing

[brambos]

I mean they are late to the party with touch screen and in good tradition, they convince fanbois that they were first and its amazing

Late to the party, eh?

So list all those prior examples where [multitouch] hardware platform, operating system and applications were developed simultaneously. Where all these three aspects that define the user experience are 100% orchestrated and tuned to eachother, like in the iPad.

[UltraJv]

I mean they are late to the party with touch screen and in good tradition, they convince fanbois that they were first and its amazing

Late to the party, eh?

So list all those prior examples where [multitouch] hardware platform, operating system and applications were developed simultaneously. Where all these three aspects that define the user experience are 100% orchestrated and tuned to eachother, like in the iPad.

Youre high in the meaningless marketing bull department, you must work for Apple